COMMENTS


Prince
October 21, 2026 10:10 PM

First Rasit, please examine Tamil scriptures and then do deep research into Tirumantram and Thevaram thoroughly. Who told you that, "ArutPerum Jyoti is not mentioned in any of the old scriptures?". Extensively Tirumantram has discussed about the path of "Sanmargam (Way that Vallalar proposed)" and has hints and clues in it. Also, talking about real, actual Tantric scriptural point of view, have you consulted all the scriptures to arrive at this conclusion? I have access to a large portion of the now lost Brhad Vadavanala Tantra, where clearly it mentions the 2nd highest form of Maha Tripurasundari is Jyoti only (MULA is a 14 KUTA VIDYA). and then, Ambal also has given me access to this manuscript called 'Maha Guhyakali Maha Vakya Paranjyoti Nyasa', where Guhykali is meditated as Paranjyoti, together with Sodasa Mahavakyam (16 of them). Now, I clearly agree with you about the New Age stuff and Kabbalah - I think those are really questionable. But please, before commenting about the works of Vallalar, who was a Hindu himself and evolved beyond the classification of that religion and spirituality, I would beg you to do more research, or atleast prepare yourself (learning Tamil, consulting his original works and Tamil Tirumantram and Thevaram), before claiming " is not mentioned in any of the old scriptures", because it is simply just the basics of research ethics. If you wonder if one can transcend concepts such as religion, spirituality, caste and creed, the answer is yes, and only the Hindu faith allows one to do this. You can verify this in the Maha-maha-nirvana samrajya medha diksa process discussed in Brhad Vadavanala and other krama tantras. Vallalar has repeatedly mentioned that 'those pure souls' who are preparing for a better world, are residing in the North, and he might be referring to Nepal (who knows?). Also, I am no way affiliated to Tivra or anyone in this website, I am an independent entity.

Prince
October 21, 2026 10:10 PM

Herodion, kindly please let me know where this claim was made? " Vallalar allegedly attaining light-body in a hotel". I am really curious, and I am highlighting the "IN A HOTEL"

Krishna
October 21, 2026 09:10 PM

Respected CS, Advaita śāstra propounded by Śrī Ādi Śaṅkarācārya has been applied to various upaṇiṣads and other scriptures and various treatises have been written on this theory, which by itself has no scriptural basis, meaning it is NOT derived from any authentic scriptures but indirectly conceived through Advaitic interpretations of upaṇiṣads etc. Śrī Mādhavācārya and Śrī Rāmānujā have completely debunked the Advaitic theory and have proposed their own dvaitic treatises and reinterpreted the Upaṇiṣads and other scriptures based on their theories that are followed to this day by various schools based on their teachings. No scholar of repute could debunk their theories during their time, similar to the celebrated debate victories of Śrī Ādi Śaṅkarācārya. None of these theories stand ground when compared with the profound Kāśmīra Śaivism - Trika, which also has no scriptural basis but the theory itself has become scripture and the writings of Kṣemarāja, Abhinavagupta and his disciples are the core texts of this philosophy. The Śiva Sūtras of Trika have no parallel in the Śaiva Siddhānta followed in the South of India and both philosophies are radically different. The beauty of Indian philosophy is that there is great depth and variation and room for more. There is no restriction or strict rules to abide with any stream of thought, if it does not sit right with you. We have the freedom to follow or unfollow what appeals or does not appeal to us. From a Śrī Vidyā perspective, the writings and interpretations of the celebrated Kaula guru Śrī Bhaskararāya, such as Saubhāgya Bhaskara - an interpretation of the Śrī Lalitā Sahasranāma, Varivasya Rahasyā - an interpretation of the celebrated Pañcadaśī mantra, Khaḍyotā - an interpretation of Mahāgaṇapati Sahasranāma, Guptāvatī - an interpretation of Śrī Devī Mahātmyam have no scriptural basis but are expositions of the profound thoughts of the celebrated author and these writings themselves have become valued scriptures. More than 95% of the Hindu manuscripts sitting in the libraries are not translated awaiting revelation by scholars qualified to study and interpret them. The tantras themselves are encoded and have various ciphers to decode the same. How do we decide which cipher is most accurate for a mantra when numerous combinations exist? Do we blindly follow what our gurus have followed without them properly examining the combinations and justifying their exclusion? Finally, Sat-cit-Ānanda - the eternal Truth (Sat) is the infinite super-consciousness (Cit) and it can only be experienced and witnessed as bliss (Ānanda). How is it possible to define the infinite and determine exactly what it is? Lastly, let us invite and respect the views of various commenters who forsake their precious time in providing their insights. This website is non-commerical and everything provided here is for the benefit of spiritual seekers. Readers should exercise caution and adopt what they feel is best suited for them and take guidance from a real person - guru and abide by their teachings. The material provided here is for reference purposes and discretion is recommended in the matters of tantra. 

RASIT
October 21, 2026 09:10 PM

Namaste dear Herodion and Kuru, first of all like to thank you both for taking the time to respond!! I guess this will be my last inquiry about this latest ongoing discussion, therefore I will touch on a couple of subjects and hope you can clarify them. Before asking my questions ,I am going to repeat some well known facts. Like actions speak louder than words. Basically what it means is in life what matters and counts is what you do and not what you say. When there is a discrepancy, it harms your credibility. On your new Site, you clearly state the ground rules for comments, and caution against personal attacks and disrespect. Don’t you think as the founders and administrators of a new Site, shouldn't you also follow the same rules when any of you are commenting on other forums like Manblunder? Recently Kuru ji, openly accused Krishna ji for being deceptive. Isn't exactly that kind of language you discourage to be used on your own forum when commented? Don't you think neither you or anyone else shouldn't have these kinds of double standards? Kuru ji, gave his perspective why he sometimes uses argumentative language, but words do matter. Is it really so difficult to see that this kind of expressions push masses away instead of attracting them? I truly hope your new Site will succeed and also believe how you represent yourself on and out of your Site will have a direct correlation to your membership numbers. Recently Tivra stated that he will be away for a while. Right after that "Cintia " appeared and with her comments similar to Tivra's comments, which made me wonder whether she belonged to the same lineage like Tivra or not. Nobody truly knows who Tivra is other than the belief of he might be living in Brazil. I don't think it was a coincidence that she chose a Brazilian flag, which subconsciously made people associate her with Tivra or his lineage. With her Tivra like comments, she created credibility before announcing the new Site and then she disappeared once she made the announcement. I sincerely hope she's a real person and not someone else using that alias for an agenda. Because, if that is the case, then this would go beyond claims and literally classify as a deceptive act. Let's lighten up and assume she is for real and will continue to share her expertise both on manblunder and your new Site. Another subject I like to point out, don't you think you don't give enough credit to Manblunder followers and simply assume we can be easily manipulated? Tantra is followed even in India by a very small section of the population. In general people do a lot of research as well as inner soul searching before choosing this path and have an analytic mind. It's my analytical mind that took me from Islam to Tantra. I truly believe that many sincere seekers are at least as smart as I am and more likely even smarter. In one of my previous comments I touched on the subject of selective discerning mind. How does that work for me? Let's talk about the Enochian entities, what are they about? Fallen Angels who lost the grace of the creator. Spiritually speaking lower beings who belong to Abrahamaic religions. Not Tantra and not my cup of tea. If I choose to work with lower beings then Tantra gives me far more choices than any Abrahamaic religion can ever give. What about the "Saint Vallalar"?. I am on the fence here. Kabbalah? Don't even know where to start honestly. Traditionally you must be Jewish and male as well as start to learn Torah and Talmud at an early age, and if chosen start to learn Kabbalah at the age of 40. People like Madonna, Britney Spears claiming to be Kabbalists after reading a couple of highly diluted books about Kabbalah followed by a weekend class given by Yehuda Berg is laughable if not pathetic. So for anyone to assume to practice this or that from Kabbalah to address certain problems is pathetic. And I am certain that the vast majority of sincere seekers are full aware of these misleading traps and won't take it seriously. Long story short, your worries about people on this Site is overly exaggerated and applies only to a small fraction of "New-Age Tantrics ". In my opinion your worries about this New Age fans distracts you from valuable messages and information you can share with the sincere seekers. Please, don't waste your time and energy on these New Age tantrics, and confuse them with sincere seekers. The new age fans you are worried about will be the first ones who will jump ship when a new trend pops up on the sky.

Mnx
October 21, 2026 09:10 PM

Mahamahopadhyaya Pandit Kaviraj Gopinath was a Tantrk scholar. Maa Maha Tripursundari, was working through him. He was working on bringing Mahashakti on Earth with others. His disciples have continued his mission. Scribed link of the book - https://www.scribd.com/document/256557152/Akhanada-Mahayoga-of-Gopinath-Kaviraj-S-N-Khandelwal

Kuru Sandhyasa
October 21, 2026 08:10 PM

I fully agree Jayanth, I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel that for the benefit of seekers, this should be encouraged much more. I think it would be a great benefit to viewers of the website if Guruji's original articles and writings are revisited and published on the front page once more. This could even be a weekly thing that would be very easy to do and would continuously remind seekers to be stable and grounded in the foundational knowledge of spiritual practice.

Krishna
October 21, 2026 08:10 PM

This article - https://manblunder.com/articlesview/sri-durvasa-dhyanam, states that Sage Durvāsa is our Para-Parameṣṭhi guru, meaning the guru of Śrī Aśvatthāma. The article dates back to 2020 when Shri Raviji was still with us. It is also possible that Sage Paraśurāma initiated Śrī Aśvatthāma into Śrī Vidyā krama and that maybe the belief held by some. Maybe other direct initiates of Śrī Satyajitānanda, Shri Raviji̍'s guru, can provide more inputs. I personally do not know anyone to further validate this. It does make logical sense to trace the lineage to Sage Paraśurāma and his guru Śrī Dattātreya for the Kādi mata followers, who represent almost the entirety of current day Śrī Vidyā practitioners following the Dakṣiṇācāra paddhati based on the Paraśurāma kalpa sūtras. However, Kādi mata is also referenced in the Kaula treatise of Śrīvidyārṇava tantram followed by Śṛṇgeri maṭha and many other Kaula followers. It should be also noted that not everyone following the Dakṣiṇācāra tradition based on Paraśurāma kalpa sūtras trace their tradition to Sage Paraśurāma, especially those associated with the Śrī Kāmākṣī tradition of Kañcī maṭha.

Mnx
October 21, 2026 08:10 PM

Namaste. I would like to post about some pts regarding some posts of scriptural mention of an Elevated state mentioned in some posts here. Reason for posting is, following discussions about Guru. I remembered my communication with Ravi Guru ji around 10 years back. We were discussing about an interesting concept called, "Akhand Mahayoga". I requested him to write on this but he said needed reference material. I have a book on this concept- "Akhand Mahayog ka Path aur Mrityu Vigyan.", by Mahamahopadhyay Pandit Kaviraj Gopinath who was direct disciple of Shri Vishudhhanand ji known as Gandh Baba, from Gyanganj. A copy was sent to Ravi Guru ji. He said language is main problem as book was in high Hindi, written by the Sanskrit scholar. So article didn't happen. If the article was posted, this site would be ahead of others, who are posting about the same concept now. I'll post an archive link of the book in next post. It's a must to read carefully & understand what out scriptures says. A simplified version in English with scriptural reference is given here https://shaktanand.blogspot.com/2019/01/akhand-mahayog-path-thoughts-of-shri.html?m=1

Kuru Sandhyasa
October 21, 2026 08:10 PM

Namaste Kashik. Digbandha mantra can be done at any time, in fact in many traditions it is recommended to do before any type of sadhana. It is not only for protection but also to clear obstacles and ensure wellbeing. I noticed some time ago on the website there was some discussion of Svacchanda Tantra and people had seemed interested in this. It is interesting to note this text itself contains a very long process of digbandha which is said to be so powerful on its own that it will cause a sadhaka to reach all sorts of accomplishments over a period of time. Generally, these are regarded as safe to perform.

Herodion
October 21, 2026 05:10 PM

Of course Rasit, hoarding texts out of selfish interest or greed actively harms tantra as a phenomenon and this is not to be encouraged. Texts should be, for the most part, circulated. There are indeed texts - I would include most authentic Yamalas here - which should be kept from public view or ritually restricted, but this is a minority. We must also not forget that rahasya is capable of self-reinforcement, texts are coded by nature (these are not however safety guarantees), and it is ultimately the lila of higher beings that guides or misguides seekers always. Our core issue is not with spilling secrets. The problem is with irresponsible dissemination and with elevating a mere opinion to the level of dogma. By irresponsible dissemination I do not mean the act of publishing mantras. It refers to promoting the dangerous idea that everyone can self-initiate into mahavidya mantras as a result of Vallalar allegedly attaining light-body in a hotel or as a result of other highly contested claims. There are many mantras which do not require diksha and there are many effective sadhanas outside of japa (even if japa is supreme). Our establishment, for example, has published the six cleansings with in-depth practical instructions as well as exhaustive disclaimers and precautions. Literally flossing the gunk out of your subtle channels through bodily orifices is an idea that's deeply aversive or simply uninteresting to most people. But for those who would be drawn to it, we have the responsibility of presenting the information in a way that minimizes the risk of misinterpretation or side effects. On the frequently encountered motif of guru, I also want to add that all gurus share two very different types of wisdom. There is a great distinction between what a teacher will publicly preach and the particular instructions he gives an individual disciple. All aspiring sages and their followers should be capable of making this distinction. Think of a quintessential bhogi sadhak, whose specific chart, constitution and sadhana let him eat meat or chase skirts, and may even reward him for this. Surely you see why it would be unwise for us to declare publicly that shakti is accumulated through sensory pleasures. If my teacher were to tell me that, I would keep it for myself. I would not publicly credit an avadhuta for having revealed the true meaning of tantra nor invite everyone to be grateful for their revelation. Krishna does not keep these things for himself, and that is where I think he is wrong.