Thank you Jayanth ji for this long discussion. Really grateful for all the answers.

dear Kuru Sandhyasa, you have repetitively stated that you are discontent regarding how manblunder is run. Then, my question is, why do you choose to return to make changes that are beyond you? We have stated countless # of times that we should act as matured adults, but however, you still issue uncalled for words ('jokes', 'cowardly', 'etc') at people who have not harmed you or the community in any way. I kindly recommend, that you create your own blogspot and to run the way you see fit. Otherwise, it is not fair to the current administrators and commentators who take their own personal time to contribute valuable information. Anyways, I have seen that you have stated that 'You will take no part in this". I hope you are consistent in your word and never return here. Please, its a boon we ask of you.

There is no disconnect once a person is realized he is free to operate the way they want as they are aware of the truth. There are many realized people who did puja etc even after realization it really does not affect their state in any manner. But again there is no need to do anything as well. Shastras are very clear that rules of puja etc does not apply to a realised being.

Namaste Jayanth ji, I am very grateful for your reply, and I now have a much clearer understanding of your perspective. My only remaining question pertains to something Shri Raviji wrote about his Sri Guruji. He mentioned that his Guruji regularly performed daily puja and rituals, and that these were so profound that he had "vibrating idols." These words deeply inspired and motivated me to aspire to a state where my Ishta Devata is literally present in the idol I worship. Subsequently, I have observed Shri Raviji advocating less for rituals. I would be interested to know how these two viewpoints reconcile. I also notice that many highly learned Advaita Vedantins of the Shankaracharya parampara, which I believe is also part of your guru mandala if I recall the picture correctly, perform daily pujas. This leads to my next question. I am not advocating for any particular view, but rather seeking to understand how these practices align.

I hold the sastra in esteem, and I honour those who hold the sastras in esteem and intelligently apply the sastras per desa, kala, patra and paristithi. As such, I welcome this development, and hope this is put into motion. To honour the sastra-affirming position you both have adhered to, Herodion and Kuru Sandhyasa, I offer you both my regards and respect. As a further mark of respect for your position, I offer myself as a candidate for initiation, if you'll have me. That is, if, after you test my suitability, and satisfy yourselves as to whether or not I'm worthy. If this meets with your approval, kindly let me know the next steps. As regards contact details, kashyapg2077@gmail.com is my email ID. Let me have yours. Thanks.

Yes, instead of permitting initiation to young adults, let's give them mantras with no initiation instead and promote guruless practice. This is morally better. And let's call someone of whom you've gathered none of this information, as an avadhuta and a great guru and sage. The jokes write themselves here. Krishna, among the admins there is not agreement on what is happening here. Only you and jayanth. I also am aware you wrote your initial proposal with no intention to follow through with it. That was very cowardly and low. Herodion whose name I will not reveal wanted to reach out to you anyways in good faith. If this is how low we are going, keeping up appearances while behind others backs committing cowardly and petty politics, then I will take no part in this.

Dear Herodion, Thank you for your response. It would be ideal if you could reach out to me with more details about yourself, your guru parampara and all the spiritual practices you have followed and continue to do so, so these can be highlighted. There is also a vetting process by the admins and we certainly need to know how to get hold of you directly on phone and also meet with you and Kuru Sandhyasa in person if need be. The references of all your gurus and where they reside, what they teach etc. is also required. I am certain many will benefit from your contributions and for us to directly recommend you and Kuru Sandhyasa, we need to know much more about yourselves and that is the reason why I requested that both of you and anyone else interested in imparting initiations, should communicate directly to me or to any of our admins/gurus listed on our website. It is very important for us that no serious aspirant should be discriminated for any reason. Shri Raviji was absolutely against any such discrimination and was clear that everyone deserves a path towards self-realization and no person who expresses interest, should be denied the same. I myself do not initiate adolescents, teens and young adults remotely. We do have a policy that an initiation must happen one on one and that can be in person or remote, but the guru and disciple must see each other and the guru explicitly makes the commitment to guide the aspirant to the best of their ability and commits to absorbing their karma and granting some of their own good karma, which anyway happens implicitly through the initiation process. It is also mandatory that Shri Raviji should be your guru and that you acknowledge that you are a part of this lineage with no disrespect to any of your other gurus and their teachings. As soon as our admins have all your information, we can certainly process the same, talk to you directly via a video call and/or in person, make our enquiries and proceed from there. To be specific, we need your given names and diksha names, guru lineage information, your personal contact details, place of residence, what you do for a daily living, the sadhanas that you are willing to impart (you have already provided the information, we need from Kuru Sandhyasa directly) in person or remote at no cost, verifiable and written details of your interactions with Shri Raviji and sadhanas that were imparted to you. I am also assuming that you have been given Purnadiksha and Guru diksha by Shri Raviji, plus permission to impart the same to global sadhakas without any prejudice. Also, each one of you must reach out to us individually and not indirectly. We look forward to hearing from you with all the details directly. Our goal is to encourage, guide and help as many aspirants as possible and help them progress spiritually without being judgmental, partial or applying any discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, color, sex, societal status, background etc. I certainly applaud and respect your commitment to help interested sadhakas.

There is no discounting the effects of puja as it builds disciple, bhakti and focus. There is some material benefits too. But what is spiritual progression? It is a stage where you try to understand what is God and what is your relationship with god. To do this you have to understand the nature of Self which is an inward journey. When God is within you when doing puja you are treating it outside you are doing seva. This is a stage where you feel both are separate and continuously doing this without the knowledge of self will only make you think your Atman and God is different, thereby there is a stop at progression. But when you do puja by submitting your mind to consciousness (atman), this is true puja and surrender. That is the reason external rituals are to be stopped as we progress. For you at this stage doing puja and japa is the right thing as after regular practice when you get the questions about life and God, at that time you will let go of puja automatically. Coming to the point of stopping sadhana after realization, once you are always linked / or Brahman pervades your mind always, what is the use of sadhana? Till this state is reached we need to practice lifelong and/or many more lifetimes to come. Instead of an intellectual dissection of many philosophies, mantras and teachings sticking with one philosophy, one mantra and one diety may solve all the problems. Single diety is your main focus for life but as and when time arises for situation like protect etc you can take help of other dieties for a short while and stop the same. But sticking to one diety is the best. Usually Shiva, Shakti and Ganapati are the best sadhanas as they are complete by themselves.

Namaste Jayanth ji. Please forgive me if this feels like a counter-question, I hold both you and Krishna ji in very high regard, and I’m truly grateful that you’ve been so patient with my limited understanding. The only way I know to grow is by asking questions like this, even if they come across as direct. In one of Shri Ravi ji’s articles, he mentioned that sadhana never really ends, it continues right until our last breath. I was wondering whether the practice you spoke about which stops after realization is different from sadhana, or if they’re essentially the same? I’ve always thought of them as one and the same. Another thing I’ve been reflecting on is how we can tell the difference between prarabdha karma (the destiny we’re experiencing now) and the new karma we’re creating in the present moment. Also, when Krishna ji spoke about avoiding rituals done purely for material gain, did he mean all rituals, or only certain ones? I’m still very much a beginner on this path. The only ritual I perform regularly is Shivling abhishekam. While doing it, my mind naturally turns toward Shiva, and I feel as though He is right there in the lingam. There’s no asking for anything material, it’s simply a quiet joy in worshipping Him. I imagine that when someone does Sri Chakra puja with the same pure love and devotion toward Maa Lalita, it must feel equally beautiful. I’d be so grateful for your thoughts on this. If I continue the Sri Chakra puja in this spirit, with love and no expectations, would it still be considered a waste of time, or should I shift my focus more toward japa instead? Thank you very much for taking the time to guide me. I truly value your insights.

Krishna. Admitting your request is serious, which would be nothing short of a radical twist of fate, I am willing to offer initiation into beginner mantras to sadhakas. Hanuman Chalisa, Mahamrityunjaya, orthodox deities, Devi stotrams, physical yoga, guidance towards dhyana, planetary mantras, among others. I have already provided my email, herodionherodium@gmail.com. I must add that this tattva is draining for me, but I was very recently stabilized through being guided towards my mother and my guru has approved this action, so I shall honor this opportunity the Devi has shown me through you. My guidance extends to those willing to be consistent and with a mature approach, with an interest in genuine spirituality; this means, at times, boredom, this means at times persevering without result and this means at times pushing through heaven and hell with full faith in God. I have also spoken with Kuru, and he is very much willing as well. He can give diksha to much more extreme tantric mantras, but he will not accept students he has not looked into beforehand. This means a vetting process, and a much stricter approach to tantra than the one I have, similar to taking a vow but for explosive results. Kuru will want to look deeply into potential disciples because of the nature of his attainment and of the path he proposes, while I am less strict with those I would offer guidance to. I must add that both of us are connected to Raviji and that there is no cost for anyone other than the rahasya and faith inherent to tantric practice.