Your line of thinking is that: "believing that a string of letters is inherently divine feels like a bit of a stretch.". You clearly do not understand, hold sacred, or have any sort of self revealed experience in these traditions. So why are you here then, giving advice to those who do want to follow these traditions, when you yourself do not hold these sacred?

Namaste Dear Kuru Sandhyasa. Greetings to you and everyone here! I sincerely request that we please desist from getting personal on any viewpoints and agree to disagree with others in a polite and respectful way. I do not wish to edit anybody's comments but will be forced to, if this is not complied with. Other admins may entirely delete the deemed offensive comments, so I try and jump in as much as possible to quickly endorse the comments. I am personally very thankful to revered Tivra, Prince, Dylan, Tripuraghna, Jothi and many others for donating their valuable time in providing invaluable guidance and assistance to sādhakas to advance in their sādhanas. I can endorse to the difficulty of finding valuable guidance that this site offers and had this knowledge been available to me many decades ago, my life would have been completely different! Let us be grateful for what is offered here and may it be of benefit to the sincere seekers. Further, I would also recommend folks to read "The garland of Letters" book by Arthur Avalon to understand what a string of letters can do in awakening the spiritual cakras with our body. Also, this website was designed to be a guide to self-realization and Shri Ravi ji took painstaking efforts forsaking his career, family life, health, wealth etc. in adding content for the benefit of all seeking nothing for himself or his family. The name of the site is a misnomer in itself. It can be a warning to people not to follow or to educate themselves and decide what to follow and skip etc. I certainly welcome criticism as well as encouragement. Once again, we need to keep ourselves polite and be respectful to everyone. No one including me have the right to tell anyone not to post comments or go away. It is my personal desire that all everyone should benefit from what is posted here and will be posted here in the times to come. One more point to note, is that the experience of each individual differs and the commanility may not exist. We encourage sādhakas to find an appropriate guru and provide limited guidance ourselves to mantras that we have practiced. Also, I have published 100s of mantras and stotras that I have not diligently practiced myself, but I was still guided by the grace of the Divine Mother to undertake the journey. If She permits, there will be 100s more and this will go on even after I am no longer here and someone else will take up the efforts. It is the power of the Divine Mother and the guru parampara that lets this happen and so be it!

Krishna, i do understand where you come from and there is benefit to publication and teachings but it must be done responsibly. And if one is to give out these teachings they must be able to gauge how to responsibly give teachings. By Ravi ji this was taking place, and you have done many helpful things as well. You have brought much to light that is helpful. But without responsibility, restraint, and determinance in what is to be given and how it is to be given, what has the potential to be a huge help can just be a chaos in the life of a seeker. Please take this into consideration, as well as everything else I have said. I may seem harsh but it is because i only seek the best outcome. May clarity, guru's grace, and blessings that result from correct action fall upon all who genuinely seek this path or any other.

We have provided references wherever possible so that interested seekers can verify and apply due diligence. There are warnings and suggestions. Most people are not aware that more than 90% of the Tantric scriptures are in the archives of various Nepal libraries and in private possessions, besides numerous other Indian libraries. Not all manuscripts have been digitized leave alone their translation or transcription. Many scriptures have been lost due to neglect, secrecy, natural and man-made causes etc. Let there be greater interest and enthusiasm among seekers to help drive the translations and restore the hidden glory of the tantras and various other scriptures for the benefit of the world. One who does not face difficulties in their path, are certainly not on the right one. I strongly believe in this. Those who fall while learning to ride a bicycle will certainly succeed and ride miles on them. If we are scared at the very outset to explore the world of tantras, then this is certainly not the path to follow. I tried finding suitable gurus for 3 decades and finally found Shri Ravi ji, Shri Krishna ji of Medhayoga and Shri Ramesh ji besides others to help me get further in my own spiritual pursuits. During this entire pursuit, I simply followed books and advice from others who did the same. It took me time, but I was able to find learned and well-meaning gurus and accelerate my own spiritual practice. I still interact with many gurus and enrich myself with their insights and when possible, incorporate their knowledge into the articles. Every article on this website is updated as and when we find more relevant information. My own endeavor is that no one should face the ordeal I faced in finding suitable gurus and knowledge and be discriminated against for any reason, so I will do my best to ensure that the knowledge flow on this website does not stop even after my heart stops beating! For the seekers of tantra, may this website be the lighthouse of information to guide them on their journey besides their own gurus and teachers. For those who cannot find gurus, they may start with simple name chanting or stotra chanting or Purāṇic or Vedic mantras which may lead them to find an appropriate guide to progress faster. Besides, this website does offer alternate paths like Advaita, Upaṇiṣads, Purāṇas, Meditation etc that one may explore. Knowledge by itself, can help us gain self-realization. This is the promise of Advaita, Upaṇiṣads etc.

@Kuru Sandhyasa, besides attacking people, besides fear mongering, what have you contributed to this site and the sadhakas who are here to learn something? NOTHING! Instead of being so negative, why don't you first share some pearls of wisdom to demonstrate how your idea about what should be shared and not with concrete examples? You can see from the responses of other sadhakas, that nobody seems to be in agreement with your harsh attacks that borders at the edges of insult while being totally empty in its contents. I dare you first to create some credibility with your knowledge, teachings, decoding, deciphering mantras that no contributor on this site has achieved so far. Then and only then, can you constructively criticize people like Tivra or Prince. So far you appear like an extremely angry, empty vessel. Talk is cheap, first show us your walk. Thank you!

What I have contributed is very valuable, it simply does not fall into what you are comfortable accepting. Those who were in agreement have all left, and many explained why before leaving. However, before any of you speak on what you think I have accomplished, what have you accomplished with your sadhana? Because if the answer is nothing, it means you need to seek guidance.

Let's agree to disagree here, you haven't contributed anything at all!! If so, give a concrete example,please. What has my Sadhana accomplished? Just to name a few; the realization of that anger is toxic, someone who hasn't experienced divine love can't love and accept himself as well as others, hatred/ego is the self itself and the person who has that still has a long journey ahead of him regardless of what he believes himself to be, there are many different paths to salvation and my way or the highway does not apply to spirituality. It's much more than that but I think you get the jest. So my answer to you about what my Sadhana has given me is NOT "Nothing" , and well beyond "Something". You wrote "Those who were in agreement have all left, and many explained why before leaving". Well some might have left but I highly doubt that it was noticed by anyone else other than you. And if that is the case, why are you coming back again and again without contributing anything other than trying to confuse people with no luck so far?

Amazing. Best of luck to you.

If the fruits of your sadhana are merely intellectual - correct me if otherwise - then it is ineffective. Spiritual efforts should lead to attainment. If you say that your sadhana has led you away from hatred, it is comparable in results to meditating for years upon, say, mundane philosophy, and coming to the conclusion that violence is a strain upon all those involved. I would advise you to refrain from speaking ill of Kuru - or any of the good-intentioned participants in this discussion - for you do not know the karmas he cradles for others, the many people he has burnt himself for, or the degree of his grace. His efforts are not to create confusion, but in fact to dissolve it. Tantric knowledge is organized around the key principle of guru-shishya. Gurus reveal knowledge to their disciples in accordance with the will of higher deities and only knowledge which has been proven effective within the parampara. If the practices of the lineage mix and become diluted without being filtered by a direct vessel of guru tattva, this will be the sin of all involved and it can cause much devastation. This is what Kuru speaks about: preserving the rahasya and the very effective methods of Raviji's noble lineage, and trying to prevent the knowledge revealed through Raviji from being stained by others. I must say that there are more things that unite us than divide us, and I sincerely doubt it is anyone's goal to selfishly hoard knowledge. To this effect, we must all exercise our best discernment and hold each other well on the path for the benefit of all.

Not sure why you thought my sadhana could be merely an intellectual exercise similar to meditation. Well, it’s not and therefore the conclusions you derived are by default wrong. The reason I mentioned calmness is due to the fact of how angry Kuru’s comments are. Definitely not constructive criticism. Anyone can be criticized on this site within the boundaries of mutual respect. Insults, anger, and fear mongering make one wonder whether there is ill intention or not. You seem to know him in person, which is great. Why don’t you convince him to share with us what he knows within the permits of his lineage? So, we can all learn from him. Do you think you could do that for us? Last but not least, it’s very presumptuous to think that people who benefit from the site don’t have the assistance of a Guru. I am sure some don’t, and some do. For good reasons not everyone feels comfortable sharing that kind of info on the Net.

Amargi, this is very true and very much the point as well. You have the mind and greater sense to understand what is the effect of your sadhana. And most of beginner sadhakas have no idea what is the effect of their sadhana at first, or will imagine one thing while another is happening. This is why a guru is there to guide them while they are blind. Or if a practice is given in certain instances where it is permitted, there are strict guidelines to follow. If by protected or deep will they are pulled away, they move to another sadhana then and then another. This spirals into a mess. This is what very often happens when we see individuals with no guidance attempting sadhana. The mind becomes chaos as a result of this, and it is worse if they don't accept that this chaos is a result of not having proper guidance. Amargi, it is very much a blessing if this type of sadhana bears fruit for you, because ordinarily sadhanas which destroy the material life involve a lot of hard work and forceful expression of kriyas before finally bearing the greatest fruit imagineable. It is very difficult for even experienced sadhakas to make it to the latter end because of dependancies on material life etc. It is a very good example, wonderful things can come and there is so much potential, if the proper guidance or guidelines is present. To also add clarity, i will not say who told me, but it was told to me that the accounts of tripuragna jothi and agni were alternate accounts of Tivra. If you are sad that they left, rest assured he is still here.

It's probably been a decade since I saw it. It is there in the first volume of Devi Rahasyam published by Chaukhamba authored by Dr. Kapil Dev Narayan. If I do come across it again, I will certainly update you. Scriptural references are often sought, because we give them the highest importance and so do our gurus. The commonality in the world religions is also their books held as the word of God and being above all. Just like Jayanth commented earlier, the chances of finding a true guru are the same as hitting a lottery. We may find a namesake guru, but our true guides will be the scriptures and a thorough study and analysis of the same is more important than the guru guidance. By all means honor the guru and guru parampara, but the worship is directed towards the guru principle that exists in many forms and is truly the Divine Mother Herself, when the individual forms and names fade away. This is the principle of the transition from the ordinary Vardhanī kalaśa to the Sāmānyārghya and then to the most important Viśeṣārghya to experience the Self.

In the first chapter itself it's written. In the same publication as Krishna Ji replied. The chapter which tells about diksha.

Krishna, our ways are different, but you are directly contradicting the scriptures. I do not have knowledge of Devi Rahasyam, but I would like to add the following quote from Ram Kumar Rai's translation of Kularnava Tantra, available on Archive: "Liberation is not to be obtained either by chanting of the Vedas or study of the Sastras. O Viravandite! Jina or Real knowledge alone can give Liberation, nothing else. Neither Aéramas ( four stages of life ) nor philosophies or Sciences can provide the means for liberation; only the Jifana of all the Sastras can give it. And this Jiiana can be received through the words of a Guru. All other ways are deceptive, oppressive; the knowledge of Truth alone is life-giving. " The guru's supremacy is universal to all written Tantras. We do not have the exact wording of Devi Rahasyam, but going by the way you remember it, I believe you misinterpret it deeply. "scripture itself act like a guru to the sincere sadhaka". The emphasis here is on *act like* - not substitution - and *sincere*. It has been spoken about on manblunder before about how some procedures and/or mantras are self-activated. This is what sincerity refers to, the situation where doors open themselves for the honest seeker who dedicates himself fully and abandons attachments for complete surrender to the guru principle. Such a path is opposite to sattvic sadhana but I have witnessed it offer unbelievable miracles to those willing to sacrifice everything and suffer an explosive rebirth. It is exactly for this destructive potential that you should not embark on the tantric journey without the guidance of a guru. To mirror your appeal to world religion, traditionally, it is the shaman who ventures to terrifying places to return with knowledge for his followers, precisely because the teacher has been gifted the constitution for radical self-activated transformation and he wants to impart this gift to as many people as possible; the guru, then, is capable of taking on the karma of disciples so they reap some of the benefit but for only a fraction of the cost. I agree that it is extraordinarily rare to meet a true guru like this, and it is true that one can start doing certain mahavidya procedures on their own, but then the issue that appears is they fall victim to hubris and either stagnate in progression or lose their minds completely or worse. This is the explanation for what might be perceived as elitism or dogmatism to guru supremacy. We must never forget that as seekers we are constantly in touch with forces of inconceivable power which should always be revered and approached with awe. Nama japa, stotrams, Shri Vidya sutras, pranayama, ayurveda, meditation, jyotish, hatha yoga - these are all surprisingly effective and appropriate avenues for the uninitiated to massively improve their lives. For this, one may consult the writings on this website in conjunction with Sadhguru's teachings. Just a year or two of sincere "beginner" sadhana is sufficient to uproot life completely without the risk inherent to all tantric practice. I must add, Krishna, that I am not against you at all and I have had benefit as a result of your writings and engaging in discussion with you. What I write here is mostly for the community, because the danger of unguided tantra and diluted teachings cannot be understated, not out of fearmongering or gatekeeping, but out of genuine desire for humanity's benefit.

Should a person who cannot find a suitable guru not get into mantra japa if they choose that as a means to fulfill their wishes and progress spiritually? The scriptures are unanimous in extolling the importance of a guru. Devi Rahasyam also states the same. But in the absence of a suitable guru, one may take the help of scriptures and proceed. They will eventually find a suitable guru. As I mentioned previously, it took me about 3 decades to find a suitable guru, while I was still chanting the mantras following the instructions from Mantra Mahodadhi and other scriptures. I agree I was very confused and did not follow correctly. This experience has taught me to guide other aspirants to follow the procedures in the manner that was taught to me. There are other alternate ways too and it would be really helpful if these are exposed to discussion and scholarly analysis for acceptance and practice. Also, if you are able to provide references of gurus who are willing to teach and help sādhakas, please do so to help sincere seekers. This would be appreciated by all! Lastly, if one is able to understand the guidance of advanced gurus like revered Tivra, they may take up the same with sincerity and dedication.

I humbly request to krishna ji, kuru ji, herodion ji and other sincere sadhak to no longer engage in this debate as you all have made your opinion clear and not ready change your stance aside from agreeing to some degree with other opinion. This debate has reached its conclusion and there seem to be no gap left for other conclusion unless one of you back down which doesn't seem to happening any time soon. I request you all to be the bigger person and let it go. Meaningful questions are going down the list and may not get answered.

I can not speak for others but I have no ill intent or negative emotion towards anyone I have spoken with. If my strong intent has been interpreted as anger, be rest assured I am not angry with anyone. I think the importance of discussion is still in extreme prominence given the subject matter, even if it makes people uncomfortable to have their ideas challenged. Given the state of the platform, and considering the traditions which manblunder was founded upon have been disregarded and the community has shifted entirely, it is the right of those who have been around for a long time to still engage in discussions and challenge the new ideas. Thank you for showing your own sincere intent Kashik, I hope you can understand that we have only intention for the good of everyone, but this process is not always comfortable especially in the beginning. Just as transformation of any type is uncomfortable in the beginning, as is the process of approaching anything in order to cause a change of direction. As is the case with any parampara as well, if one seeks guidance to the entry into any school or acceptance of a guru, they should not cling so hard to the comfort of their own imagination. A genuine sadhana will very much dissolve one's ideas and open new perception and sensation of the world and reality, not cause one to cling in fear and suffer emotional chaos when challenged. There is much knowledge even in the words I have just spoken and more meaning will come if contemplated upon. Of course these words are not my own. But when one is willing to go to any lengths and discard all sense of self, anything is possible, transformation is had and guru can be found no matter what. These beings, and many other influences both of divine and natural, see you and will influence your life even if you do not see them. How you are influences all of these things, one's emotional and intellectual and gross actions are not all that there is.

I must mirror Kuru's sentiment and explicitly state my comments harbor no ill intent toward anyone at all. If anything, this discussion is much different from the last in that I feel minimal mudflinging from either side. I don't believe anyone wants to willingly mislead others. In Tripura Rahasya it is said "All the gods to whom offerings are made are my manifestations... The results (of worship) are in accordance with the nature, method, and intensity of the devotion.". Further paraphrasing, we are told that shaivites, vaishnavites and shaktists should not war, but recognize the three paths as one, each suitable for different individuals depending on their karma, constitution and predisposition. So I am not hostile to anyone's approach, and it is precisely because of the universality of the spiritual path that I can draw attention to misleading claims for the readers to draw their own conclusions. Off the top of my head, I do not agree with the claims of fallen Brahma and Enochian angels being the quickest way of destroying karma (so even quicker than Kali) etc. Tivra has given some generally good advice and some of the theological aspects he has spoken about are congruent with the teachings of Raviji. I genuinely believe one should not attempt mantra japa without a guru, yes. There are some happy accidents, and there are also some gurus-to-be who are capable of chanting on their own but which wouldn't ask any question and just follow vayu and latent ishta devata energy. My single issue is that, in the context of Shri Vidya and tantra's growing popularity online, many amateur seekers can be harmed from treating an online commenter as their guru, and even if they could very well feel some potential results at the start, they are not aware of the subtler dynamics and the prices they pay, even if this whole situation is much more the sin of the teacher than it is the sin of the student. Moreover, and perhaps even more importantly, manblunder is Raviji's virtual ashram, and we should stay true to his teachings which have brought us all so many attainments, instead of diluting with questionable paramparas - and even different spiritual systems. This will likely be my last comment on this subject, because I dislike the idea of my sole contributions coming underneath a veil of contradiction. I would like to thank Krishna, Jayanth, Kuru, Nesh, Abhishek, Aditya, Ashwin and all other commenters for their input. For all interested to engage in discussion with me or to relay questions to my guru, I can be reached at herodionherodium@gmail.com. For reference of capable and realized instructors, I would recommend reaching out to Santosh and/or Jayanth, both of this website.

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Just the way honey never goes bad, Avadhūta puruṣas like Tīvra and their words always remain true and retain their essence forever. A true sādhaka knows no fear and only such a sādhaka succeeds in life. To quote Shri Ravi ji who mentioned this to me several times - "Ignore the ignorant." Wishing everyone success in their sādhana and may all be guided by self-realized, selfless gurus.

The purpose i leave comments here is that i am in deep connection with my Guru-mandala, and i want all who study here to see clearly that God and Guru is one, and that perhaps you may take sadhana from here, but - do you find your God in the voice of the giver of sadhana? Now i say thank you Krishna and Mnx, i feel that my message blooms on this page. Finally: my Swaguru gave me the quest 15 years ago - conduct 10 Enochian rituals with any goal. Traditionally, with self-made copper plates, etc. It was a part of my initiation. If i survive ten more years (ha), maybe i'll give the same quest to my disciple, as it works terribly good.

The foot note on the title of the website clearly states - "Your Partner In Self-Realization". As Dear Herodion mentioned quoting the Tripura Rahasya, all paths will lead us to the Divine Mother. Anything that appears to be negating righteousness (dharma) must be avoided. Any person who discriminates or judges a sincere aspirant on the basis of religion, race, color, social status etc, is not a guru and one must maintain distance from such people. Millions of mantras have been handed down to us by gurus to solve our day to day problems and higher mantras with associated rituals have been documented and presented as well. It is certainly sensible to learn from qualified masters who are compassionate and selfless in teaching mature aspirants who are serious about the higher mantras and are willing to dedicate themselves to the prescribed practices. Likewise, there are many spiritual and magical practices all over the world handed down to us by adepts and the same can be practiced with proper guidance. The key point, is to remain righteous and as much as possible, to serve others more than ourselves. The Enochian practices are also practiced everywhere and there are many who have benefitted from the same. Great sage Tivra has also recommended some books that may be referred to and he has also previously provided a diagram that could be used for prayers and invoking the angels. Interested aspirants considering these practices may read through his comments and proceed accordingly.

Hello amargi do you also chant guru kavach inorder to get blessings and success in sadhana through guru mandala shakti heres the link : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vz8_sP49syoa4m0B2YSvql1-vUrVva_p/view?usp=drivesdk

thank you Kashik, may you also be guided with love.

Hello i request you download the pdf as i will be closing the link since it explicitly mentioned not to publicize/write it down. I only share this with you due to seeing you always mention your guru and devotion towards guru. One more advice i want to give if you already not doing it is to add scripture called guru gita. It has 3 chapter take around 35-45 min to read all the chapters at Once. You could read atleast 1 chapter daily as it explicitly mention that just by reading the guru gita it give the same fruit one receives when present near guru.

There are 3 kavachs - first invokes the Guru mandala blessing. 2nd kavach is to invoke blessings of current guru, replace "amukh guru" with the deeksha nama of your guru like "amritananda natha saraswati prasada siddhidatriye jape viniyoga". 3rd kavach to is to open gyan marg.

Kashik, like to thank you for your recommendation. I hadn't heard before about Guru Gita, and now ordered one. Thanks again!

The issue of taking a book itself as one's guru is a contentious one, for it is in direct opposition to the most fundamental rule of mantra sastra as elucidated in countless tantras - do not take mantras from books but received them from guru mukha. Taking mantras from books and practising them in the view of the Tantras is a most heinous sin and a direct offence against Siva himself. You yourself have advocated this line several times in your guidance to sadhakas on this site. As such, it is extremely disruptive to the traditional position, that is vehemently against book-dependence, to note the "lateral" position that one may take a scripture or a book (and not necessarily God) as one's guru (under certain circumstances). Hence my request for additional information and references. If it can be shown that the tantras themselves, and not just one tantra , anticipated the problems with finding proper gurus that we face today, we can confidently state that such fail safe mechanisms are also traditional, and not some fabrication. I trust you appreciate my position on this issue. Thanks.

Dear Krishna, I could get the exact reference thanks to Vipul here. On the issue of sastra acting as guru in the absence of a proper guru, however, I think one reference in one text is not sufficient. A debater or sceptic may advance the argument that this might be a clear interpolation or a fabrication, for it goes against the grain of the central tenet of the mantra marga in all the Agamas and Tantras- the tenet that a live guru is mandatory. If the position of the Devi Rahasyam on this point is to be accepted, there must be other such or similar pronouncements in other texts as well. Unfortunately, I have drawn a blank on this issue, and my search has been fruitless. With the exception of the Dakshinamurti pathway for initiation as mentioned in the Agamas Rahasyam and the Meru Tantra, which again is not advocating the taking of sastra as Guru but is saying that one could take a devata (not a book or scripture) as our guru, I see no other tantra or agama or samhita text that says that sastra (book or scripture itself) may be taken as a guru (in the absence of a live guru). You mentioned in your comment that several scriptures take this position (of book as guru), and cited the Devi Rahasyam as one example of such a scripture. Kindly indicate what other scriptures you had in mind, so that seekers may get clarity.

Dear Vipul, thanks for the precise citation. I found the reference as you indicated. Thanks for your kind help.

Namaste Chakravarti ji. Your point is valid too. I think the kind of disciple who can develop himself even from taking a scripture as guru is as rare as the text stating that also is. In essence, our own self is the true guru, and hence is the universe. It would be very very rare so you are right. But I believe if someone in this day, can take a mantra, have devotion towards it's deity, and chant it properly by following as much rules as possible(offcourse one rule regarding guru is already not followed), and sincerely does his sadhana with humble mind, and offcourse consistency, then I personally believe he will get success in it. It's really just hard to stay as consistent in such a situation. I myself have attempted such things, and I was never able to stay consistent, doubts would take over and I would leave the sadhana. But I believe only by grace, one can stay consistent and attempt this. I follow Kashmir Shaivism and our last guru, Swami Lakshmanjoo ji didn't initiate anyone formally as his successor and he told that the future followers of this system would initiate themselves(which i believe by parabhairav himself). Here I interpret that those who have grace will be guided automatically. And again as I said above already, in essence, if one doesn't have that anugraha, then it would not even be possible to even stay sincere in their sadhana. I have personally met such people who have had done sadhanas without having gurus, but they were sincere enough to engage hours of daily sadhana consistently for years, and I judge whether they were lying or not, by their great insights and understanding they have. Again not promoting or taking side of bypassing rules, offcourse guru is necessary, but my definition of guru is too wide. And I believe it depends upon individual spiritual maturity, that whether they can really follow that path without guru or not. One more scripture i came across, I forgot the name as I just read one specific part of it, it was about the 22 lettered dakshina kali mantra and mahadev there states that this mantra doesn't require any guru. I would find it again and tell u the name if you want. But that mantra does have powerful beejas and I guess still people wouldn't recommend it to others or chanting that without any guru. One more thing is the exaggeration on harms which can come to anyone without a guru. They generally are done as if all bad things will happen to the sadhak without guru only irrespective of the nature of sadhak himself. And yeah, I have even met individuals who had kind of side effects of it but that wasn't in a way directly damaging them or something, but you can say a kind of awakenings or spiritual states where they didn't have much understanding of what to do from that part. Guru i believe is the eternal omnipresent principle which is always there. While physical guru is a blessing, we surely do have numerous cases of many great people without guru and they did have many great achievements.

Chakravarti ji, can you please share the part of agam rahasyam or meru tantra which contains the dakshinamurthy pathway of initiation?

Let me make it clear - I'm in fact in favour of relaxation of the guru requirements, and do approve of radical alternatives such as taking Isvara himself as Guru or taking Sastra vak as Guru. This is because of the current desa, kala, patra and paristhithi conditions, which necessitate such radical moves, as opposed to mainstream or traditional ways. I'm looking for a strong sastric basis for these radical options, and when Krishna mentioned some references, I requested him for more citations. I want to clearly prove to dejected but sincere sadhakas today, by basing the argument on the sastras itself, that radical alternatives relating to guru and diksha are indeed provided in the sastras, and have been anticipated in the sastras themselves long ago. Krishna and I are on the same page when it comes to this matter. So also you and I, for your views too are not very different from mine. Trust you now know where I come from and what my position is. Thanks.

Dear Vipul, the Dakshinamurti option is quite well-known even here on Manblunder. Ravi ji and Krishna and other team members of Manblunder have given a good writeup on how to approach Siva Dakshinamurti as one's guru and self initiate one's chosen mantra. The process they delineated on this site (you may check the self initiation page/tab on this site) has been derived from the Agama Rahasya text (with some simple changes) if I recall correctly. To the best of my recollection, the chapter on diksha in the Agama Rahasya contain the Dakshinamurti option. Maybe chapter 14 or something, if my recollection is accurate. I'll give you the exact verses when I get the chance to reread the text in the future. As regards the Meru Tantra, in the five volume Sanskrit with Hindi translation edition, I believe the Dakshinamurti path is discussed in Volume 1, in the chapters concerning qualifications of guru and sishyas. I'll update you with the exact verses when I reread the text at the next available opportunity. By the way, the Meru Tantra is quite detailed and good. It contains many astute observations on the issues relating to degeneration in the qualifications of gurus and shishyas, and failures in mantra siddhi in Kali Yuga and the current times. In fact, now that we're talking about it, I seem to remember that the Meru too speaks of the possibility of taking Sastra as one's guru, albeit in a negative manner. Now, I may be wrong in my recollection that the Meru disapproves of taking Sastra as Guru, perhaps it allows it grudgingly. But my overall impression was that the Meru does not approve of any deviations relating to diksha and guru. Hope this quick summary helps.

Thanks a lot for the reply. I believe that even devi rahasyam is only talking about having devata as guru only, though quite indirectly. Because even the shastra it concerns, are revealed by shiva only, and actually is only words of shiva.

It is always best to find a suitable guru and also become an eligible śiṣya (aspirant) at the same time. As I have mentioned previously, more that 95% of the tantric scriptures are still in manuscript form and chances are, we may find references there. As is the norm, every tantra will suggest the aspirant to find an able guru. In general, the scriptures written and handed down to us are themselves guru vāk and constitute the dictum of the guru. If this were not true, what would be the need to preserve the scriptures and even reference them? Why not just rely on the words of one's guru fully? Why verify and validate them elsewhere through scriptural reference? The answer my lie in the fact that there are many traditions, norms and ways of worship. Sticking to one tradition and following the path laid down by the guru lineage offers the solace that we are following a beaten path and that guidance is offered to us at all steps and all our queries are answered to our satisfaction. No tantra sādhana begins without a guru and this is a fact. Those who are unable or unwiling to commit themselves to a path and a guru, may choose alternate methods to achieve the desired results. Bhakti mārga through devotion and scriptural study, worship of idols, permitted pūja rituals, pilgrimage to holy sites, seeking the company of advanced masters, reading spiritual and motivational books, meditation etc. are all considered legitimate and alternate methods to achieving both material and spiritual benefits. Even if one wishes to follow mantra mārga, they may choose to do nāma japa of the 108 attributes or the 1000 attributes etc that are not restricted and hope for the grace of the deity to find a suitable guru who can lead them further in the path. After three decades of solitary struggle, I was able to find excellent gurus and to honor them, I dedicate my writings on this site incorporating their teachings so that it may benefit someone traversing the same path. The intention of this site is not to belittle anyone or to suggest unfollowing any guru. We strongly suggest following the norms and also contend that no single mantra specified on this site, should be practiced without the guidance of a proper guru. The same may also apply to certain stotras linked to mantras or mandating an initiation by themselves.

Namaste Krishna ji, always wanted to ask you this, who is your diksha guru, like I always see you writing, Raviji, Krishnaji from Medhayoga, and Ramesh Kuttichad ji, I was wondering who gave you purnadiksha, sorry if it feels too personal, just curiosity.

Śrī Ānandānandanātha (Shri Ravi ji) gave me Pūrṇā dīkṣa as well as Sarvamantrādhikāra dīkṣa and also guru dīkṣa to initiate sādhakas. The same was also given to Shri Jayanth, Sriram, Arun, Santosh, Dan and a few others. Sitting in his presence would give anyone a glimpse of the Śiva tattva. I simply have no words to describe who he was. I learnt about the Aṅga devatas, Śrī Cakra Pūja, mudrās as well as various Āvaraṇa pūjas from Shri Krishna ji who also gave me the Pūrṇa dīkṣa. I also interact with him quite regularly and he is a Jñāna sāgarā and a tantra sāmrāṭ. I also interact with Shri Ramesh ji quite regularly who is a jñāna Sarasvatī and the Divine Mother Kāmākṣī Herself. His mere presence and words stir up my cakras and stimulate ānanda within. I have further enhanced my knowledge of tantra with close interactions with him and from reading his numerous publications. It is a great blessing to be in the presence of these great gurus and savor the knowledge and wisdom that they have absorbed in decades of dedicated sādhana. May these great gurus live long and shower their grace upon everyone for a long time to come!

Agree with your thoughts here, Krishna. More power to you as you continue to guide seekers here along with your team members. I wish to bring this discussion phase to an end by asking you specifically for references/names of scriptures other than Devi Rahasyam that provide for taking scripture itself as Guru (in the absence of a proper live guru) as you mentioned in your original comment. Or is it your position that only one text, Devi Rahasyam, provides for this option? Kindly do clarify for the benefit of the sadhana community here and for the benefit of future seekers. Thanks.

Yes, there is no real distinction between guru and guru vani, like the non difference between saktiman and sakti. Krishna too has now responded on the point of scriptural references other than the Devi Rahasyam, so now there's full clarity on this matter for all seekers. As an aside, I found your mention of the 22 syllabled Kali mantra as being free of diksha nteresting. I believe you were referring to the Brihad Nila Tantra. I haven't gone through that text in full detail, I remember reading it years ago. I believe that there's an implicit kaula or vama achara pre-requirement for this mantra. That is, one has to accept and adhere to the specific achara before one approaches Kali with this mantra. So, this is a different case, in my view. Let me know if your understanding is different. Now, you mention you are on the Kashmir Saivism path, and situate yourself in the Swami Lakshman joo lineage. Kindly tell us more, at your convenience, about how the Swami Lakshman joo line deals with the issue of guru and guru diksha, in the light of Swami Lakshman joo's directive that there's to be no successors to him, and that Siva's grace, being omnipresent and ever active, shall be the preferred way of initiation for all seekers in the future. Are there any actual live gurusnow in your lineage? Who provides the formal initiation for mantras, if any? How are sadhakas supposed or required to do mantra sadhana? Are there any sadhakas who do mantra purascharana in your line? How do they go about it, in the light of Swami Lakshman joo's directives? Kindly do explain, at your convenience pls. I believe such comparing of notes is most beneficial to all sadhakas. Thanks.

If I may share, tradition suggests that one can also begin sādhana by treating the Śrī Vidyārṇava Tantram as the Guru. The story goes that the Devī herself appeared to the author, Vidyāraṇya Yati, and was so moved by his compassion for future seekers that she gave the text a unique blessing. Recognizing how hard it would be to find a true guru-paramparā in the Kali Yuga, she ordained that this śāstra would carry the living authority of a teacher. By infusing it with her presence as vāk-śakti, she ensured that any sincere seeker would be protected, making the Śrī Vidyārṇava a true siddha-grantha that bridges the gap when a physical master isn't available.

Devī Rahasyam is considered to be part of the most sacred Rudrayāmala tantram, the tantra of tantras. In my opinion, this is enough. But to answer your question directly, out of the less than 5% tantras that are currently translated and publicly available, there is no other reference other than Devī Rahasyam, which also states the importance of seeking a living guru who fits all the qualities and the necessity of seeking one.

One of the largest compendiums of tantra - Siṁha siddhānta sindhu lies in the Rajasthan Oriental Library partially translated and awaiting scholars to decode the rest. There are many secret sādhanas encoded in this śāstra and hopefully it may become available for all interested sādhakas someday. The last updates were back in the 70s or maybe 80s. There is only one copy of this treatise available and the author took great pains back in the medieval times to preserve the tantras for the future generations. Hopefully his dream comes true someday.

Thank you very very much for answering the question!

Dear Raman, many thanks for sharing this encouraging insight from tradition. This fact is not generally known, and I certainly I did not know of this. I had earlier considered the Sri Vidyarnava Tantra only as a tantra nibandha/compendium of the Prapanchasara, Sarada Tilaka etc variety. That this text carries the compassionate blessings of the Devi herself is astounding. Kindly do tell us more about how it came to be so, if there's more to be known. Thanks again.

Thanks for sharing. This too is news to me, something of the "we know we didn't know of" class. But then, this implies there's so much more that we don't know we didn't know! I recently came across some information about how, during the food production crisis in India some decades ago, the central govt gave away several rare manuscripts and scriptures to American Universities as payment in kind for food and grain (which turned out, some aver, to be unfit for human consumption - but that's another story). We don't know how much we had, we don't know how much we have, and we don't know how much we have lost.

Dear Chakravarti, I also wanted to throw this into the mix: beyond that Devī Rahasyam verse, the Rudrayāmalam actually drops an even bigger bombshell. In the Kali Yuga, taking initiation directly from Lord Dakṣiṇāmūrti isn't just a backup plan—it’s actually an upgrade. The text suggests that in this age, receiving a mantra with Lord Dakṣiṇāmūrti himself as your Guru is actually superior to seeking a living teacher. Given the prevalence of "glitchy" gurus today, it’s a powerful reminder that when human lineages falter, the Divine source remains wide open. I’m producing the relevant passage below; make sure you pay close attention to that final śloka. Now, one might be tempted to label these as later interpolations, but these verses are well-known among some old-school Tantriks I’ve consulted. Based on that oral tradition and the internal consistency of the text, I believe these are authentic verses of the Rudrayāmalam: गुरोरभावे विप्रेन्द्र मन्त्रग्रहणमुच्यते । कृष्णपक्षे त्रयोदश्यां दक्षिणामूर्तिसन्निधौ ॥ तालपत्रे मनुं लिख्य स्थापयेच्च तदग्रतः । संपूज्य दक्षिणामूर्तिमुपचारैः प्रयत्नतः ॥ पायसं विनिवेद्याथ प्रणमेद् दण्डवत् ततः । तालपत्रं समालोक्य पठेदष्टोत्तरं शतम् ॥ एवं गृहीतो मन्त्रः स्यागुरोरपि विशिष्यते । गुरोः सम्भाविता दोषाः प्रायेण च कलौ युगे ॥ एवं गृहीतमन्त्रः स्यात् सर्वसिद्धिप्रदो नृणाम् ॥

Wow, this is indeed next level. Thanks a bunch for sharing. This sets me thinking about how, given all these additional ways and means, the number of sadhakas who attain success in their mantras, who achieve actual mantra siddhi, is not increasing. I believe the numbers in modern times are relatively lesser, in fact. I wonder why it is that when the gods have made the path easier, we seem to suffer more, stumble more and never quite arrive at the destination. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and here, the results are dismal.

Namaste Chakravarti. I remember reading one of Ravi Guruji's post, where he said, those who are not initiated by a Guru, but are progressing in sadhna, are initiated by Lord Shiva. Though I don't recollect the exact article. About achieving sidhhi in any mantra can be known only when that sadhak reveals result of his sadhna. Many people are not comfortable in doing so. Whereas in case of Guru who's present, knows his disciples progress. He makes judgement about sidhhi for his disciple. When the person is guided by Lord Shiva or Devi, a good connection is made between them. Sufferings are due to karma getting reduced, which can be a painful process, that might be judged as misery. But things are taken care of by the Divine. If a shishya trusts his Guru then a sadhak who is not having a human Guru, trusts his Divine Guru too. Communication is between them, till it's revealed by the sadhak.

I love the unedited gpt comment, it excellently conveys the merits of engaging in sadhana with no guru and how in the current times of kaliyuga, one can only hope to attain mantra siddhi if the "glitchy" guru seeking mentality is abandoned. This has been very eye opening for me.

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Hey Krishna. If you have to edit out any criticism or mention of conflicting ideology, to silence any mention of it, maybe you should just stop protecting it. You're putting your faith in a basket that I guarantee has not affected you in the same way as a genuine guru like Ravi ji. Feeding your imagination and echo chambering yourself into belief is not helping anyone.

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Dear Kuru Sandhyasa, I believe you're referring to Raman's comment wherein a specific verse in praise of initiation through Siva Dakshinamurti, said to be from the Rudrayamala, is mentioned. Kindly let us know if you think the said verse is fake and has been hallucinated by AI. I personally do not mind using an AI to dress up ones' language (and I keep silent when I register the characteristic AI flavour), but I believe It is necessary for all of us to actively resist AI fabrications. Pls do let us know if you think the said verse from the Rudrayamala is not authentic or wrong in any manner. Thanks.

Dear Raman, kindly see Kuru Sandhyasa's comment. There is a suspicion that the verse you quoted might not be real. Pls do clarify and update us about its authenticity. Now, I am aware that there's no standard text or edition of the Rudrayamala. I'm also aware that many, many things are attributed to the Rudrayamala. Several texts have been published by several publishers saying that their version is a fragment or part or section of the famous Rudrayamala. Even the Devi Rahasyam, which triggered all these discussions, is a distinct text traditionally appended to the Rudrayamala. The editor of a edition of the Devi Rahasyam, Janki Nath Kaul, metioned his own suspicions about the redaction of this text (Devi Rahasyam, not Rudrayamala as such) and observed that the Devi Rahasyam seems to have been redacted in modern times. The Rudrayamala has become a catch-all, as it were, for anything and everything about Tantra even if it is or is not related to Kashmir, Saktism or Saivism. However, I have always still believed that the core text exists, and is authentic in essence. Therefore, I request you to give all of us such assurances as can be mustered by you on the issue of the verse you quoted. Thanks.

My dear Chakravarti, yes you are absolutely correct in both aspects. First and foremost, the authentic tantras do not use language and wording in this way. Every piece of knowledge is given very poetically and must be interpreted. Even something such as a mantra is rarely given outright. Bijas are described by their traits, or the characters or objects represented, often very conjuncted, and even after interpretation it is impossible to know if the correct interpretation is derived or not, without an enlightened guru to give the certain answer. Secondly even when Vidya is given with regards to astrological sciences and timing, it is always the qualities described of the appropriate timings. It is all very encoded and even so, a process is never given start to finish this way. There are manuals and manuscripts written in the medieval period such as mantra rahasya mahodadhi ect which do give much more clear instruction but those texts repeat a thousandfold that without a guru one will suffer so many downfalls and will not accomplish anything. Lastly, there is in fact a process which is similar to the one described which uses bhojpatra and a certain ritual to attain mantra shakti for a mantra, permitted for those who can not find a guru and who have undeniable need for the mantra (not for ordinary circumstances), but the entire process and ritual must be done hundreds of times until the devata appears in a vision or a dream and grants diksha directly. There is no room for imagination or false success here. Aside from the fact that it is obvious AI, uses language and structure which does not exist in any tantra that I have ever known of, the fact that it is contradictory to what is repeatedly said everywhere about guru necessity, and the fact that the ritual given is extremely simplified and gives a promise of immediate and unrealistic results, I think it is a safe conclusion to say that it is an AI fabrication.

Yes, Brihad Nila tantra was what I was talking about. If I remember correctly, Shiva said that this mantra can be chanted by anyone without adhikara and that one who practices it sincerely will become a vira. About original lineage of Kashmir Shaivism and why Swamiji didn't appoint a successor, I have this own theory of mine that it was because there was no suitable successor at that point of time. Like not a realised one. While, all gurus of original parampara were those who had got realisation of their true self. So, in a way it would have been just a formality to appoint a successor. And if we analyse Swamiji's personal nature he was always more philosophical oriented rather than towards the side of rituals. He at times also opposed bali rituals. So, i believe he had some foresight too regarding the future and potential fake gurus and all, so he just ended the official parampara with himself. And then if we see the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits and all that happened there, there seems to be some relation to both. About how initiation is done, there are some disciples of his who did the formal initiation though none was a successor. One of my friend, from starting did the sadhanas by himself from shastras, and he is quite knowledgeable as well and had great experiences of his own. Though I would say he is one of the rare ones. Two of my friends did say that they have at times got dreams of swamiji guiding them. Also, the 64 bhairava tantras which are non dual in nature are the core texts, but many of them not available easily. One of the text, Swacchand Tantra and it's 32 lettered mantra, Swamiji said anyone can chant it. Other than that, there is a great gem of a text vigyan bhairav tantra containing amazing 112 methods which are just incredible. Then there are some offshoots schools, like sarvamnaya one by Dr. Sthaneshwar Timalsina and some other Krama schools which I don't have much knowledge on. At times it seems like Kashmir Shaivism is on verge of extinction but then randomly you see people with great knowledge in it. Like I was surprised to find Dylan here and just how incredible his knowledge is regarding the subject, and it's still quite a mystery how he acquired such mastery in it. I have also seen some foreign sadhaks having great command in this subject. So, mysterious nature of grace I would say.

Brother, I appreciate where your are coming from in this matter. I get it. I've learnt many things from your posts and comments here. Request you to keep sharing your knowledge and insights for the benefit of sadhakas, present and future, at your convenience. Sincere thanks,

Thanks a lot dear Vipul for taking the time to explain things in detail. Much appreciated. The information you've shared would be useful and encouraging to all sadhakas. Thanks again and God bless.

Dear Vipul, I am familiar with the Vijnana Bhairava and am now going through the writings and lectures of Swami Lakshmanjoo. He's a profound teacher, no doubt. I have a specific doubt: In your reply, you mentioned that Swami Lakshmanjoo referred to a 32 lettered mantra of Svachchanda Bhairava provided in the Svachchanda Tantra. Is this mantra the same as the 32 syllabled Aghora mantra (a variation of the mantra from the Vedas) (अघोरेभ्योऽथ घोरेभ्यो घोरघोरतरीभ्यश्च । सर्वतः शर्व सर्वेभ्यो नमस्ते रुद्ररूपेभ्यः ॥ aghorebhyo tha ghorebhyo ghoraghoratarībhyaśca / sarvataḥ śarva sarvebhyo namaste rudrarūpebhyaḥ //) or a different mantra? Was this given by him to John Hughes for popularizing throughout the world? Kindly clarify at your convenience. Thanks and take care, brother.

Yes sir, it's the same mantra. There is very slight change in the one from vedas. Otherwise it's same. That's the one Swami Lakshmanjoo told John Hughes to spread in the world. Also, Shiv Sutras gave a good view of it's own meaning of mantra. One more point I want to add is that, Swami Lakshmanjoo recorded enough of his lectures on various topics and important points of Kashmir Shaivism. Now, KS itself is generally in essence about maintaining awareness all the time. Also, as Indian Philosophies are to be lived, and not just read, one who just applies these teachings actively, and sincerely will surely be worthy enough to take up any mantra from shastras and be able to do sadhana of it without much issue. That is my view.

Dear Vipul, thanks for your help. I believe your assessment of Kashmir Saivism is correct. The upaya architecture bears this out. The system design is such. You have the veera bhava in you, my friend. Nurture it and ascend to great heights. God bless you.

Dear Mnx, I am in sympathy with your observations. But the ground reality as I perceive is not encouraging. People are simply not succeeding in mantra sadhana as a rule, and mantra siddhi in current times is almost an exception and not the norm. Here, on Manblunder itself, Krishna has also said the same thing in so many words so many times to so many people. Siddhi in mantras is simply not happening at an encouraging rate. There is a clear decline in the rate of success. I'm not saying nobody is succeeding, I'm saying very very few, almost none, are succeeding. This is the hard truth of the reality of mantra sadhana today.

Sympathy for what? Accepting Divine guidence from time to time? Only the one above Divine can sympathize. If mantras are not working as per your understanding, then I doubt anyone can change this perception. Krishna ji, a sincere request. Please create a section & move all the troll posts there. People can go on with literary comments, ridiculing posts, mocking others etc, sparing genuine readers. There may be just one with mids. Those posts shouldn't appear on main pg. Even you are trying your best. Thanks for all your efforts.

This verse is also featured in the authoritative Sri Vidyarnava Tantra, attributed to the revered Vidyaranya Yati. You can see it in this screenshot: https://snipboard.io/FE8CI6.jpg

Raman, the info that you shared “He also mentioned that the original Rudrayamala, which may or may not be available to the public anymore, specifies that you don’t even need initiation to worship your Ishta Devata or Nakshatra deity” is exactly the kind of info that the self-claimed gate keepers don’t want to be known by the general public. Because that takes simply power away from them as well as their source of income. Only a true Guru will not accept any money or donation for initiation as well as ongoing support. It’s too common that most of these so-called Gate Keepers are nothing more than Spiritual Businessman. Having said that, obviously if you are lucky enough to have access to a real Guru then that’s always the preferred path to follow. The info you shared definitely makes sense to me from personal experience. My religious background has nothing to do with Hinduism in one way or the other. There was a time in my life when I was stuck, and whatever I tried did not help including prayers etc. I came across a book that had the word Mantra in its title. Till then I had never heard the word, Mantra. In that book a Ganesh mantra got my interest, and a certain 40-day Sadhana was explained in detail. Due to desperation (Because Neither Christian nor Muslim prayers had worked) I decided to complete the 40-day Ganesha Sadhana. And it worked, with being stuck becoming part of history and new opportunities opening one after another. Here is the interesting part, back then I did not know that my Ishta Devata was/is Lord Ganesha. No initiation whatever and it still worked. And that’s how my journey started and the ups and downs ended after I found my Guru. So, it was a book at a bookstore that led me eventually to my Guru. If most people tried first to find a Guru before starting their journey, then the vast majority could have never started to begin with. Again, from personal experience I know that mantras simply work and some make it sound like as if it’s almost impossible in Kali Yuga. If that is the case, then how can we ever reach Moksha and what is the reason of following Tantra? Another example, before I found my Guru, a Christian-Indian friend of mine after a divorce simply couldn’t get any dates. Long story short I gave him two mantras from that book, and he completed also the 40-day Sadhana, and since then finding dates has never been an issue for him. Last but not least, folks don’t get discouraged by people who come here with an agenda to stir things up and besides negativity and criticism have nothing positive to add to our knowledge base.

This should settle the issue conclusively. My sincere thanks for taking the pains to search the sastras and dig up proof. I know the hard work involved in such matters, so pls accept my appreciation for your diligence. I also am thankful for the insights about the naksatra devatas. Such points build subtle confidence in and encourage sadhakas. LLM hallucinations have everyone in a tizzy, and so everybody is checking and rechecking even the minutest things obsessively. Unavoidable. Nevertheless, a silver lining. No pains taken in engaging with sastra ever goes to waste; they eventually conduce to one's own benefit. Vidya is its own reward.

Some questions for all to foster practical discussion instead of reinforcing the old cyclical debate: 1) What method do you know of to discover your ishta devata? 2) What is the correspondence between the Mahavidyas and one's birth nakshatra? 3) Are the deities you approach tantric or orthodox? 4) What, if any, is the distinction between Vidya and knowledge? And specifically for Krishna: Would it be too much effort for you to re-create the old Manblunder Discussion Forum? Its current version is inactive, flooded by spam and on an outdated platform. It's apparent to me that discussion exists, and I think a forum is a platform better suited for interactions of this type than the comments of this blog.

Raman, exactly where did you find the publication you are mentioning? I have gone over the publicly available renditions of srividyarnava and I'm unable to find the passage anywhere let alone any reference to it. The entire structure of the tantra is far different to how it's been conveyed and on the very same page there is no reference to what you are speaking of: https://snipboard.io/Qlinaq.jpg I would hate to think that anyone would go so far to fabricate a text but in the screenshot you provided it begins with |1| even though the text only makes sense as a continuation of something prior. I genuinely hope you would not go so far to fabricate a text, please provide what rendition or publication you used so that I may verify the text, because at the moment this looks extremely bad faith on your part.

Dear Herodion, some of the questions are answered in various tantras and other mantra related books. I don't have the correct references handy, so will not answer them now. The idea of re-creating the old discussion forum is excellent. Let me see what I can do about it. We may still have the handle for it somewhere.

Dear Chakravarti, thank you for your response! Since we are discussing initiation, I found another interesting passage by one Om Swami in his book, The Ancient Science of Mantras. I thought this might be of interest to you, particularly regarding what he says about initiation and the freedom of certain mantras. Here is an excerpt from his book regarding initiation: "When mantras were created by Shiva, there were no exceptions. Any adept practicing a mantra had to be initiated in that mantra as well as check it for flaws and compatibility. The science of mantras evolved over time but legend has it that there was one specific incident that impacted the most. That one incident set many mantras free to be chanted and invoked by anyone. A devout Brahmin was chanting a verse from the Rigveda. This verse became the famous Mrityunjaya Mantra, that is a mantra that can conquer even death (mrityu). In his devotional sentiment, with all the reverence and fervor he could muster, he was chanting the following mantra: oṃ tryambakaṃ yajāmahe sugandhiṃ puṣṭivardhanam urvārukamiva bandhanān mṛtyormukṣīya māmṛtāt (The Rigveda, 7.59.12) I worship that fragrant Shiva of three eyes, the one who nourishes all living entities. May he help us severe our bondage with samsara by making us realize that we are never separated from our immortal nature. The last word māmṛtāt comprises two words maa + amritat. Maa means my or me and amritat means imperishable, immortal and eternal. The opposite of amritat is mritat which means mortal, perishable and temporary. The Brahmin, though qualified, was wrongly chanting the last word as mamritat which means my mortal nature. This small mistake was changing the entire meaning of the mantra making it the opposite of what he actually meant. One such evening when he was chanting, Shiva was roaming the universe with his divine consort Parvati, the Goddess. They came closer to earth and passed over the Brahmin. Shiva chuckled hearing him chant the mantra. “O Devi,” he said, “this Brahmin is ignorantly asking for bondage and not liberation by incorrectly chanting the mantra. If he goes on like this, he’ll never attain moksha.” “The world will certainly blame you for that, my Lord,” Devi said. “You are the creator of all the mantras. He’s chanting out of extreme devotion and reverence. He doesn’t even know that you will grant him the opposite of what he seeks. No average person can understand the intricacies of the language that evolved from your damaru. You alone are the perfect grammarian.” Shiva stopped mid-air and pondered over the matter for a few seconds. “I hear you, Devi,” he said somberly, “but I can’t interfere in the natural energy radiated by the mantras. A sun in any solar system will always exude heat, it can’t emit coldness. It must follow the natural dharma. So too will mantras only emanate their energy based on how they are chanted.” “There must be some solution, Nath,” Devi pleaded. “At least, there should be no ill-effects. Maybe the energy of the mantra could be neutralized. After all, no matter how much heat sun radiates, stones don’t catch fire nor does water. At least, a sincere devotee should be protected.” “That is why initiation is important, hence the need for all the precepts and checks,” Shiva reasoned. “Agreed, but no one should be deprived from participating in your sonic creation just because of initiation. Grant them pardon, Lord. Show them the way.” Shiva looked at Devi for a brief moment and then gazed in the far distant space as if scanning all the universes in the whole of creation, as if taking stock of all the mantras that floated in that creation, the mantras his damaru had created. “From this day on, all Vedic mantras are exempt from phonetic and compatibility checks. Even if an uninitiate were to chant, no harm would befall on him.” Shiva went on to narrate a list of conditions that mantras fulfilling those conditions would be considered exceptions and those chanting or invoking such mantras will only benefit from the positives and not be affected by the negatives. “My own mantra of five letters, Om Namah Shivaya, will also be exempt as will be all mantras imparted by any female practitioner because you live in all females, Devi, and today with your intervention, mankind will benefit in a big way.” Realizing that Sanskrit required great phonetic precision, Shiva also created another class of mantras called the Sabar Mantras. They are self invoked (svyama-siddha) mantras that are used for a variety of worldly purposes. But most importantly, with that boon, Shiva set free millions of mantras. The conditions under which a mantra may be exempt are given at the end of this chapter. There are many mantras that are used for chanting, spiritual progress and other purposes and they don’t have the six limbs as stated earlier. Most of these mantras have become famous over the last few thousand years, some only in the last few hundred years. It is quite possible for a chant to be a mantra and still not conform to the framework of mantra science. As always there are exceptions to the rule. In mantra yoga as well, there are many mantras that can be taken up by anyone with or without initiation (though initiation is always recommended). Anyone can chant these mantras without worrying about whether or not the mantra is beneficial to them. It doesn’t mean they are any less effective, it simply means that over the last few thousand years, these mantras have been invoked and passed on by enough adepts for the welfare of others that they are beyond personal invocation. And, therefore, they no longer require the usual rigors of mantra yoga. There are some medicines for which you must have prescription and then there are some you can just procure over the counter. It’s not that offthe-shelf medicines are not effective; it’s just that they are unlikely to kill someone or cause damage. Those meds are freely available. Anyone can buy them without consulting a doctor or having a prescription in their hands. Think of mantras that are exempt from the standard requirements in mantra yoga to be like off-the-shelf medication — effective, harmless, but temporary. Most bhakti mantras such as Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, many self-invoked (svayam siddha) mantras, etc., don’t have the six limbs. It also depends a great deal on the guru. If the guru invoked a certain mantra and decides to pass it on to his or her disciples in a way that’s not traditional or scriptural, those mantras can still work provided you are initiated into such a mantra. For all other mantras, it’s of immense benefit to actually follow the process. Rudrayamalam and other scriptures are quite clear on the mantras that don’t need special assessments. Here are the mantras that don’t require any compatibility or other considerations in the Kali Yuga. 1. A mantra your guru has initiated you in 2. Any mantra of Krishna 3. A mantra that’s given to you in a dream 4. When a mantra is imparted by a female adept even not as 5. initiation 6. A mantra comprising only one seed syllable 7. A mantra comprising only three seed syllables 8. A mantra that contains more than twenty letters 9. All vedic mantras (There are a lot of non-vedic mantras) 10. A mantra of five letters 11. A mantra of eight letters For any mantra to be effective, particularly if it doesn’t fall in the above ten categories, it requires initiation, proper invocation and complete adherence to the tenets of mantra yoga."

Hi Rasit, thank you for sharing your journey! It’s truly inspiring to hear how Lord Ganesha opened doors for you. I hope your story serves as a positive inspiration for fellow sadhakas on their own paths.

Hi Kuru, this screenshot should help you identify the specific publication of the Srividyarnava Tantra I’m referring to. You can find the verse on page 228: https://snipboard.io/wJrZhs.jpg

You are right that it does exist within the Chaukhamba Surbhrati Prakashan publication released in 2023 and it may be present in other publications by the same commentator. Still, the syllable count is off, citations are too near and it is contradictory to the original text and other texts. The language and wording is also still strange to me. If you are able to find this same verse in other publications, especially older publications, that will give much more credibility to this. But one finding of a verse in a recent publication which goes so far against the notion of guru necessity and makes claims of easy mantra siddhi without a guru is very backwards in the ideology of what is contained in the authentic tantras, this is fact.

hi Raman, mantra must be received from Guru, from God, - mantra IS Guru and God, so Kali gives Kali, Ganesha gives Ganesha, and no other way. the one who is given the right by deity to give his/her mantra is a Guru. those who take mantras from Guru not in human body are either people chosen in a very strange way or mere liars, it is obvious too. it is easiest and tenderest way for God to give a human-guru to his beloved man, it is better than any other way. it is so simple. the text you gave... i just do not know what to say. just no. the Mantra and its Giver are One. and mantra with no giver is none. amen.

Amargi, you are much more spiritually clear and awakened than the majority who now frequent this community. Please be careful not to fall into any traps online as you very much know better and you have a good path for you. Mangalam te ca datta tava adhvanam niscitam sincatu , praise to you and your guru , please be blessed and continue well on your path

We are asking for scriptural references to indicate whether a guru is needed or not and at the same time questioning if the scripture is superior to a guru? If the end goal is to earn the grace of God, then the same God is the Guru principle. Those who can understand the message provided by revered Tivra need look no further. Those who are unable to accept the same, should find a guru of his caliber or similar, to elevate themselves to understand and comprehend the Guru principle. From there on, the spiritual journey ascends quickly to the highest levels and will help one to realize the Truth for themselves. A beginner is best off finding a guru to understand the nuances of tantra for kick starting their spiritual journey. It is important that they are taught all the details of mantra japa and its components including nyāsas and the mantra pañcāṅga consisting of paṭala, kavaca, stotra, āvaraṇa pūja, mudrās etc.It is absolutely okay to pay a reasonable sum that they can afford for these services, as one would do to learn a course. More details are available in the mantra components article on this site. Any unreasonable requests for huge sums of money to remove obstacles etc. should be avoided. So make enquiries and decide what is best for your needs. Those who are not comfortable with these decisions, can do more reading on this site and other websites dedicated to spirituality and also educate themselves by all possible means. This site is your guide and friend and a partner in your spiritual journey. You may even consider it a guru if you are a mature sādhaka.

Kuru Sandhyasa, thank you so much for your warmth to me. I wish you the same, and I wish it to every one who feels the Love.

Kuru, the author didn't just add this recently; it's present in much older editions too. See the bottom of page 784 in the link below. Regarding the technical points you made, I defer to your expertise; however, I must also honor the perspectives of those I have personally met who have attested to the authenticity of this verse: https://archive.org/details/hEDh_sri-vidyarnava-tantra-part-2-ed.-by-rama-chandra-kak-and-hara-bhatta-shastri-sri/page/784/mode/2up

Hi Amargi, that’s a really beautiful and traditional way of looking at it. I appreciate you sharing that perspective with me.

Raman, my apologies for my earlier accusations, though I must insist sadhakas must still place guru in the highest regard, because from a practical view and in the experience of accomplished individuals, guru is always very necessary. To krishna, any guru who asks for large sums of money or payment in general is a joke. This is not even worth discussing or approaching because it is laughable. If these are the gurus you have approached then it only speaks for your lack of judgement of character which is again showing itself here. A guru will show undeniable signs that they are beyond the natural and normal nature of reality. If a guru does not clearly demonstrate this, and cause drastic change in one's life, then they are no guru. While we are on this subject, if a person is living within society, and as well confined to the norms of society, don't ever call them avadhuta.

My previous four questions do not have a correct answer; or rather, assuming such a thing exists, it will not be found in scripture. Regardless, I will quote a great teacher who was guru for many of this collective: "Though this is not appropriate method of initiation, we have to necessarily depend upon electronic media due to time and distance. However, I never liked to be called as a teacher or a Guru, as I always believe, that God alone is the Supreme Guru. All my services are freely available and no monetary gain is involved at any point of time. I firmly believe that, spiritual knowledge and mantra initiations cannot be sold for a price. They are not commodities. They are priceless and if price is determined and paid, it affects both the initiator and the initiated seriously. However, mantra initiation cannot be done to someone, whose face is not known. Mantra initiation is not just sending a mail or initiating over phone. The power of mantra needs to be transferred to the aspirant in the form of a seed, which the aspirant has to nurture and infuse potency to get the best possible results. Results are always not the same for everyone. It purely depends upon one’s faith and sādhana (practice). Personally, I do not encourage aspirants to spend much time in lengthy rituals as I sincerely believe that one should attain liberation in this birth itself." Here, some interesting things are imparted. One of these is that you must not pay for services rendered; it is the guru's dharma and your own karma that allow you to receive diksha in the first place. Wealth is to be offered to the guru of the shishya's own volition, never as a condition, because grace is not a transaction. Even 16th century Europeans realised this is wrong, that you should not pay some spiritual authority to wash away your sins. Secondly, notice how matter-of-factly it is spoken about online initiations and about the lack of ritual. This is the power of a parampara. It is grace from God, coming through the guru, directly entering the disciple as channeled by the specific mental vibrations the disciple is taught to emit and which produce objective effects in the gross and subtle planes (japa). If you look upon any tantric teaching, especially those on this site written by Raviji, you will notice there is great emphasis placed on the sounds themselves. For example, "aum namah shivaya", a is this, u is that, m is something else, and so on and so forth until pages upon pages are filled by letter-by-letter analysis of an apparently simple 3 word mantra. This is used as a way of transmitting things, planting the seed and giving it a direction for it to bloom through the subconscious mind, but also because certain combinations of vibrations are inherently sacred and they work without you needing to chant while you're doing very specific poses in front of overengineered yantras after hours of ritual preparation. This is the power of grace, and it is not "fake it till you make it", by this I mean it does not come in reverse order - you cannot act as if you are graced to obtain grace. Someone was asking here in these comments if he can still do sadhana if he smokes cigarettes and eats meat and masturbates. These are undesirable things to be removed, of course, and you should not fall into animalistic lethargy, but you do not remove these things: they are removed from you. Because if you do sadhana, all the latent consciousness modern life suppresses within an individual will push you in certain ways and to do certain things. But this miracle of God can only come through authentic guru tattva, and everything becomes so simple in that moment when you start acting out of serenity. I have been gifted glimpses at this by my teacher, and this is exactly the place where I speak: a seeker who found his way to peek at joy and who cannot comprehend how we twist it to be so complicated.

Dear Herodion and Kuru Sandhyasa and anyone else who is willing to offer initiations and advice to prospective spiritual aspirants and sādhakas, it would be of great help if you can provide your contact information and the sādhanas that you are familiar with and can offer dīkṣa in. I will talk with the other admins of Manblunder to enlist you as Gurus on our Initiations page so you may help the sincere sādhakas directly. As you have mentioned previously, the guru must discreetly offer advice to the aspirants and guide them one on one. I will also ensure that requests for intiations are forwarded to you on a regular basis as well, so you may take on more sādhakas and guide them on a regular basis. If you are able to record renditions of various stotras and nāmāvalīs, we can also upload them on our youtube channel and give due credit to you. I would certainly like to enhance the site with all the offerings that you may provide for the benefit of all. Please consider this request and I also request that you convey the same to your selfless gurus to make themselves available to be referred to directly from our site listings if possible. As they say, actions speak louder than words! I sincerely hope that you consider this request and provide the requested details. You may write to me directly at krishna@manblunder.com with the information that you would like us to provide on our initiations page for direct contact by sādhakas.

Dear Raman, my friend, thanks for sharing the excerpt from Om Swami's book. I remember reading it when it was released some years ago. I believe this excerpt, if not misunderstood and misapplied by sadhakas, shall certainly help them. Now, I believe that the life history of Om Swami himself is equally, if not more, important to the topic. He had a horrendous time with his guru, his first one in Varanasi. He achieved nothing. He almost died. I remember feeling quite moved. And I was distressed to see just how deep the rot has gone into the vitals of Hinduism. And I remember thinking, ok, that's par for course in Kalu Yuga, but this Om Swami chap sure is naive, and if he doesn't change his views and path, he'd never succeed. Turns out, while he was too straight for his own good, he had the good sense to steer clear of danger and abandon a profitless path. He had fire in him, that great power of single minded persistence. He went ahead and attained success in his sadhana. I believe his own experiences should be a case study for all sadhakas today.

Krishna. Admitting your request is serious, which would be nothing short of a radical twist of fate, I am willing to offer initiation into beginner mantras to sadhakas. Hanuman Chalisa, Mahamrityunjaya, orthodox deities, Devi stotrams, physical yoga, guidance towards dhyana, planetary mantras, among others. I have already provided my email, herodionherodium@gmail.com. I must add that this tattva is draining for me, but I was very recently stabilized through being guided towards my mother and my guru has approved this action, so I shall honor this opportunity the Devi has shown me through you. My guidance extends to those willing to be consistent and with a mature approach, with an interest in genuine spirituality; this means, at times, boredom, this means at times persevering without result and this means at times pushing through heaven and hell with full faith in God. I have also spoken with Kuru, and he is very much willing as well. He can give diksha to much more extreme tantric mantras, but he will not accept students he has not looked into beforehand. This means a vetting process, and a much stricter approach to tantra than the one I have, similar to taking a vow but for explosive results. Kuru will want to look deeply into potential disciples because of the nature of his attainment and of the path he proposes, while I am less strict with those I would offer guidance to. I must add that both of us are connected to Raviji and that there is no cost for anyone other than the rahasya and faith inherent to tantric practice.

Dear Herodion, Thank you for your response. It would be ideal if you could reach out to me with more details about yourself, your guru parampara and all the spiritual practices you have followed and continue to do so, so these can be highlighted. There is also a vetting process by the admins and we certainly need to know how to get hold of you directly on phone and also meet with you and Kuru Sandhyasa in person if need be. The references of all your gurus and where they reside, what they teach etc. is also required. I am certain many will benefit from your contributions and for us to directly recommend you and Kuru Sandhyasa, we need to know much more about yourselves and that is the reason why I requested that both of you and anyone else interested in imparting initiations, should communicate directly to me or to any of our admins/gurus listed on our website. It is very important for us that no serious aspirant should be discriminated for any reason. Shri Raviji was absolutely against any such discrimination and was clear that everyone deserves a path towards self-realization and no person who expresses interest, should be denied the same. I myself do not initiate adolescents, teens and young adults remotely. We do have a policy that an initiation must happen one on one and that can be in person or remote, but the guru and disciple must see each other and the guru explicitly makes the commitment to guide the aspirant to the best of their ability and commits to absorbing their karma and granting some of their own good karma, which anyway happens implicitly through the initiation process. It is also mandatory that Shri Raviji should be your guru and that you acknowledge that you are a part of this lineage with no disrespect to any of your other gurus and their teachings. As soon as our admins have all your information, we can certainly process the same, talk to you directly via a video call and/or in person, make our enquiries and proceed from there. To be specific, we need your given names and diksha names, guru lineage information, your personal contact details, place of residence, what you do for a daily living, the sadhanas that you are willing to impart (you have already provided the information, we need from Kuru Sandhyasa directly) in person or remote at no cost, verifiable and written details of your interactions with Shri Raviji and sadhanas that were imparted to you. I am also assuming that you have been given Purnadiksha and Guru diksha by Shri Raviji, plus permission to impart the same to global sadhakas without any prejudice. Also, each one of you must reach out to us individually and not indirectly. We look forward to hearing from you with all the details directly. Our goal is to encourage, guide and help as many aspirants as possible and help them progress spiritually without being judgmental, partial or applying any discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, color, sex, societal status, background etc. I certainly applaud and respect your commitment to help interested sadhakas.

Yes, instead of permitting initiation to young adults, let's give them mantras with no initiation instead and promote guruless practice. This is morally better. And let's call someone of whom you've gathered none of this information, as an avadhuta and a great guru and sage. The jokes write themselves here. Krishna, among the admins there is not agreement on what is happening here. Only you and jayanth. I also am aware you wrote your initial proposal with no intention to follow through with it. That was very cowardly and low. Herodion whose name I will not reveal wanted to reach out to you anyways in good faith. If this is how low we are going, keeping up appearances while behind others backs committing cowardly and petty politics, then I will take no part in this.

I hold the sastra in esteem, and I honour those who hold the sastras in esteem and intelligently apply the sastras per desa, kala, patra and paristithi. As such, I welcome this development, and hope this is put into motion. To honour the sastra-affirming position you both have adhered to, Herodion and Kuru Sandhyasa, I offer you both my regards and respect. As a further mark of respect for your position, I offer myself as a candidate for initiation, if you'll have me. That is, if, after you test my suitability, and satisfy yourselves as to whether or not I'm worthy. If this meets with your approval, kindly let me know the next steps. As regards contact details, kashyapg2077@gmail.com is my email ID. Let me have yours. Thanks.

dear Kuru Sandhyasa, you have repetitively stated that you are discontent regarding how manblunder is run. Then, my question is, why do you choose to return to make changes that are beyond you? We have stated countless # of times that we should act as matured adults, but however, you still issue uncalled for words ('jokes', 'cowardly', 'etc') at people who have not harmed you or the community in any way. I kindly recommend, that you create your own blogspot and to run the way you see fit. Otherwise, it is not fair to the current administrators and commentators who take their own personal time to contribute valuable information. Anyways, I have seen that you have stated that 'You will take no part in this". I hope you are consistent in your word and never return here. Please, its a boon we ask of you.

dear Prince, i want to ask you one thing, as it is very much on this topic. i admire your contribution here, i am especially grateful for the question you posted to Tīvra about Sri Paraşodaśi Rajyasiddhilaksmi where you mentioned another of Her mantra in Guhyakali krama, as it made a great practical value for me. i dare to say that Mother Kali sahita all my Guru Mandala give me chances to take higher mantras now, and i know what it may cost to me: for instance, in the recent comment Krishnaji said he is still not ready to chant Mahasodasi, and i feel real admire for such realistic view on one's own abilities on the Path; i would probably not be such a fool to take such sadhanas myself, if i knew what would follow in my life because of them; thanks Kali i was such a fool (ha-ha). so my question is: you gave us Mahanirvana Şodaśi, Mahamadhumati vidya. why did you do this? i bet there are almost no adhikaris for this MahaMahavidya all over the world. also in the recent comment Tīvraji gave ParaChinna vidya. why? - for i bet there are so few adhikaris for it, maybe no one at all. it is a great mystery for me; well, i really am a fanatic of Tīvra, and his revelations are of an undoubtful right for me. but - how do you publish these things? is it of a straight Mahadevi's mandate to you? you persanally may have great problems giving such things for everyone just to "know it theoretically". i ask this for the sake of own know knowledge first, and to remind others that all we have here are great mysteries of the Goddess and there is a great responsibility even to READ Manblunder, needless to say about practicing or posting here. thank you, i even don't insist on your answer as all this matter is a mystery. may the Goddess give us all we humbly ask for!

If these things aren't shared, then there is a risk of them being lost forever, similar to what has happened with many Tantras in Hinduism, also it is totally upto Maa to permit or prohibit anyone from chanting a mantra, who are we to gatekeep? there are billions of people in the world, how many of them walk this path? and how many follow the path consistently? there are contradictory points made, on one hand there is a claim that these mantras won't work without a deeksha and on the other hand, people are warning about the dangers, hahaha.

Exactly Prince Ji

Hello amargi, you forgot a important thing when Prince revealed this mantra, he expressed his desire to end the secrecy regarding the mantra and their usage and since Prince is also a devotee and considered Devi as his mother, so this is nothing but mother fulfilling her child's wish. Simple hehehe. Of course we can debate when did mother planned of this Leela maybe it was during prince's previous 108 birth or could be 10008th birth who knows... But nonetheless we can be  assured everything is going according to her wish and by the movements of her eyebrows.

I second this question, for I have had similar doubts. Particularly when the givers of practices disclaim the responsibility of acting as gurus. Krishna, the main custodian and chief worker of Manblunder, has stated several times that the practices given in Manblunder must not be attempted without a guru, and has advised people to seek out one. At the same time, the initiations work/function of Manblunder doesn't seem to be progressing, for we see people complaining that their emails for initiations are going unanswered. Krishna is on record telling people that even if initiated through Manblunder gurus, not much hand holding or guidance can be expected, and that it'd be better for people to connect to other accessible gurus. But the elephant in the room, one everybody is assiduously not addressing, is the unknown Tivra and Krishna's overwhelming regard for him. Tivra is on record stating that he will not be anyone's guru. For example, on June 5, 2024 he wrote "I am forbidden to be anyone's Guru. I am also forbidden to meet anyone." But the giving of practices has continued. Others have given other practices. Everybody is giving, but nobody is guiding. This is a state of affairs that has resulted in Manblunder becoming solely a discussion forum for advanced people rather than also a place where sadhakas may come, get initiated, learn and advance. I believe this was the original intention of the founder, Raviji. He was an extremely liberal guru, and encouraged everyone to take up practices that he gave on Manblunder, but he never disclaimed his guruhood. He never said that he'd not be anyone's guru if they asked. Raviji also encouraged people to take Siva Dakshinamurti as Guru if needed, and is on record stating that he gave practices on Manblunder after praying to Devi that people may take them up and practice without harm. So this is the background against which the current developments contrast. Amargi, your question has a simple, politically correct answer - "The practices shared here on Manblunder are meant for those who already have gurus, and are meant to be practised after consultation with said gurus. They are not meant for you or anyone and everyone. We are not responsible if you do it on your own. And don't come to us, as we cannot guide you." And this answer would be right, but only just right. The honourable thing to do, to bring this existential crisis in Manblunder to a proper resolution, is to formally elevate Tivra to guruhood on Manblunder (he already is a de facto guru to Krishna and several others here), and share his lineage details, his guru/gurus details, if he has one, and his contact details along with a program of how to contact him for guidance. At one stroke, all issues would be solved and Manblunder would come out of its self imposed crisis. Votaries of the traditional way and critics such as Kuru Sandhyasa would be silenced. All schisms would dissolve. Peace would once again prevail in Manblunder. Beginners would once again get a clear path and way forward. If however for any reason Tivra refuses to accept guru status, then I put to you all that he must take a hard look at what he's doing. You cannot do things that a guru does and at the same time take the position that you are not a guru. A flower is known by its fragrance. A man is known by his actions. Tivra and everyone who's giving practices on Manblunder openly is a de facto guru for that practice. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My suggestion to Krishna and all the admins of Manblunder is to convince Tivra and bring him on board as a guru. That's the dharmic way.

Kashik, Sadhak, quite the opposite, he consciously kills the heritage of Tantra, and i don't care for it, as the only thing i care for is the direct Will of Kali. showing the mantras that you have not realised is killing. Prince can not be so naïve to "save tantra" this way.

Dear Chakravarti, the articles presented on this site by Shri Ravi ji will certainly guide an aspirant towards spiritual growth and emancipation. Those looking for Śrīvidya sādhana have various options available in almost every city in India and spreading everywhere in the world too, with online and offline organizations helping prospective sādhakas. Note that the progress made by a sādhaka is almost entirely their own effort aided by the able guidance of their guru. We at Manblunder are not an organization and are simply helping out whoever we can in the limited amount of time that we are able to spare. We are working professionals in jobs, leading our own families and helping out prospective sādhakas as and when we can. Please use the site as a guide and most articles on the site are written by Shri Ravi ji himself to help sādhakas find the right guidance. Think of him leading you on your spiritual journey and guiding you. You can use this site as a supplement to the directions that you obtain from your guru and all other sources of information gathered through books and writings on other sites etc. Let us be content that advanced scholars like Tivra visit this site and provide valuable information that can help us in our journey. I understand your desire to seek help from the best of gurus. It is the intention of this site that advanced scholars like Tivra shower their blessings upon us in the manner they deem fit and let us pray that this continues for a long time to come and becomes a great catalyst in advancing our spiritual journey.

Krishna, my dear friend, you don't know this, but Raviji was also one of my gurus. I was in personal contact with him and have received valuable guidance from him several times. We were in personal contact prior to and during his period of illness and before he passed away. So you see, I'm not some passer-by; I'm your, and all of Raviji's disciples', guru bhai. I'm family, dude. Further, I'm already initiated, so be assured I'm not shopping around on Manblunder. When Herodion and Kuru Sandhyasa declared themselves as also disciples of Raviji, I recognised in them my senior guru bhai-s, and to respect their position and encourage all who might be interested, I offered to kick-start the process and formally take from them whatever mantra or practice they'd give me. This is a traditional position recognized by several lineages - senior disciples of the same guru can teach the juniors. So, you see, I'm definitely not here to pounce on the unwilling. I'm here not for my personal benefit, but to give some succour and relief to struggling and confused sadhakas. I'm here to try to set my master's house in order. I'm here to save this parampara and dharma from further injury. I'm here to safeguard Raviji's original vision. Now, I've gone through your writeup, and I'm disappointed in you, my friend. I see only excuses and evasion of responsibility in your words. You say that sadhakas on Manblunder should be initiated elsewhere and not here. Then why even maintain the initiations page? Pull it down! You say that you have families and don't have time. Who doesn't, in today's time and age? Has paucity of time ever been an acceptable excuse for not doing the right thing? You say you're not an organization and just some discussion blog/website. Really? Then why situate yourself in Raviji's lineage, when you do not honour his vision? Say you are a new thing, an independent thing. Declare openly that you're just an online forum, declare that no initiations are done here, take down the initiations page. Make it clear to all, and not just here in the comments. Krishna, my friend, is it advisable to say one thing and do another thing? Is it just? Is it good? I sincerely hope you'll ponder over my words, which have come from a place of love and concern. I've nothing against or for anyone. Certainly I've nothing against you or Tivra or Dylan or Agni or Tripuraghna or anyone else. Whether it is Krishna or Kuru Sandhyasa, both are my guru bhai-s. I've never spoken earlier, even when there were flame wars. But I now feel I should have. Maybe things would have been better.

Dear Chakravarti, I don't usually comment on arguments, but the way that you, Kuru and Herodion have ganged up on Krishna ji is really bad. You say you all are disciples of Shri Raviji, are you saying Shri Raviji was short sighted when he appointed Krishna ji and others as administrators of the website? I as an outsider knows just by reading the blogs that Shri Raviji was no ordinary person, he was Lalita himself, as shishyas one should not question the decision of his Guru. Lalitopakhyan states that a guru-disciple relationship has only dasya bhakti( that of a slave), there can be advaitam with the devta but not with the Guru. I believe Shri Raviji was visionary and wise enough to see who has the capability of guiding others and who doesn't. If you all were his disciples, why did he only give Guru Diksha and Purna Diksha and put the names of those Gurus in the initiation page? Why not others? Why didn't he give the responsibility of the website to Krishna ji and not others? Why should you and others question the decision of your own Guru? It is sad that as a kid and novice myself, I have to bring these things to light. It is said even if the Guru is wrong one should not question it. One should keep quiet and not correct the Guru's decision, this is said by none other than Acharya Abhinavgupta himself. I believe if you have faith in your Gurus' words and decisions, you will know what to do. Sorry if this feels disrespectful, but lately I have been seeing this constant attacks on Krishna and more arguments on things rather than actual knowledge, Guru Disciple relation/ Guru Family is not a democracy, its based on adhikara(rights) you can't think of doing a sudden revolution. Shri Raviji gave the adhikara of initiation and website management to only a select few which is visible on the initiation page. If he felt, more Gurus are needed, he would have surely mentioned them on the website.

Dear Chakravarti, among the tens of thousands of sadhakas that he initiated, he chose me to be the lead of this site. I have written communication from him that was sent to me and Santosh to remove his name from the website in its entirety and add only mine in the 'About Me' page. We did not accept that request even though it came from him and changed the 'About me' to 'About us' and never removed his email from the 'Contact' link either. You may have noticed that Shri Raviji's name and comments are removed from the Manblunder forum in their entirety. This was done by him and we could not prevail. Other gurus of this site are more capable and far more advanced in sadhana than I am, it is probably for that reason that he chose the least accomplished sadhaka as the contact person and I am more than happy to be that. I also chose to be the last contact in the initiations page but my very dear friend Dan beat me to it! We are doing what we can and those who are not happy with us, are more than welcome to complain to whomever or wherever they wish to, including this website. We have the blessings of those who matter the most to us! Remember, ego, attachment and emotions in general are to be overcome to ascend spiritually. Wishing you and your fellow likeminded disciples the best! When you have already received diksha from Shri Raviji, look no further and you need no more guidance from anyone. The guru mandala will guide you in your journey.

I still see nothing but avoidance and excuses. You claim Tivra to be a great guru, an avadhuta no less, and a mahasiddha at that! You continuously propagate their teachings and even publish them, yet the moment someone calls on this and states they should take responsibility for their teachings, you backpedaled and referred to them as a "scholar" and said we should be lucky they are even here. Krishna, do not act like you and the admins of the website are in agreement. As I have said, I am in contact with the other admins! Who do you think warned me when you had suggested that I and herodion apply as initiators? You told the other admins you were not going to do so. So then why did you want to gather all our information? For what purpose? No good intentions there I am sure. As Chakravarti said, you admit the teaching that a guru is required for practice, and you yourself call Tivra a great guru, a mahasiddha! A great sage! Yet you shy away and hide at the very mention of having them brought aboard in any sort of way where they or you would have to take responsibility. We all know it was Raviji's request that you create content for the website. I was told this as well. That you would be responsible for content. Do not make it seem to be as if he wanted his own teachings removed or reformed.

Dear Kuru Sandhyasa, you seem to be highly blessed that you always have the name of revered Tīvra on your lips and in your mind at all times. I reverently bow to this great bhakti bhāva that you have within you. Bhakta Prahlāda lauded his father Hiraṇyakaṣipu that He had Lord Nārāyaṇa in his mind at all times and it was this factor that gave rise to the Mahāvatār Lord Nṛsiṁha. Your bhakti towards the Divine Mother in the form of revered Tīvra is certainly something I will strive to imbibe in myself. May the blessings of the Divine Mother be upon you and your close associates.

Dear Krishna, I am following the back-and-forth debate that started on March-23rd-2026 and is still going on. In NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming), there is a simple yet effective technique where you simply take yourself out of the situation and observe what’s going on as a 3rd person from a neutral angle. This allows you to notice patterns, things, traps, ideas, etc. you would not notice otherwise. So instead of preaching NLP, I applied that rule to get a better picture about what’s going on lately right here on Manblunder. I noticed certain patterns that can’t be explained by pure coincidence. Let me go over them: 1. Kuru started his opposition on March 23rd and continued till April 4th. 2. On March 28th, Herodoin joined the arguments to support Kuru. 3. Interestingly March 28th is also the day Chakravarti joined the discussions. 4. If you pay attention to their comments, it’s clear that this is an organized effort. Kuru/Herodion leading, and Chakravarti acting like sidekick/wingman as if he is not really part of the team. 5. The intention is clear yet confusing. Somehow this Group (No idea whom they are really representing, but there is an Organization/Cult behind them for sure) has convinced themselves without ever being part of the Manblunder, they can either reshape manblunder in their own Image or take over Manblunder. None of these two options will happen, but I doubt they have realized that yet. 6. I believe including you, anyone who tries to reason with this mysterious group’s representatives are wasting their time. That’s not their goal; the goal is to destroy Manblunder beyond recognition or take over it. Here is a simple fact with a simple yet effective solution, since March-23rd Manblunder has turned into a battlefield, and the only way to stop that is to block them from the Site, so we can go back to share info/ideas with each other.

Dear Bam, I can see how it appears that many are ganging up against one. And Dear Rasit, I can also see how it appears that there is some conspiracy or coup underfoot. I can assure you both, on the sacred memory of the founder of this site itself, that I am only speaking up against what I deeply feel is wrong. I know nothing of or about Kuru or Herodion, and they me. I am a stranger to them. It is just that our positions coincided. If you doubt it, there are also others who hold the same or similar opinions. For example, Amargi. I don't know who he is, and he me. Would you say that Amargi and I are acting in concert? Things only progressed naturally when matters came to be discussed in depth. If you guys can check my comment history, you can see that I was not active on this site even though I was on this site from before. I kept away and did not interfere when there were some really outrageous things being said in the comments some months ago or earlier. My involvement came only when Krishna referred to the Devi Rahasyam on taking shastra as the guru, and I asked for precise references as I did not know of those references. And things snowballed as others commented. Further, Krishna is not some frail flower, and he gives as good as he gets, as you can see from his comments. He has his strong opinions, and so do I. And he will not admit he's wrong, and I will not back down. He's a fighter, and so am I. It really is, howsoever difficult it may be to swallow for anyone, a matter of shastra and dharma for me. God bless you both.

Thank you dear Krishna for your kind wishes. I appreciate it. While we may have our differences, as fellow sadhakas, we are in the same boat. However, I will continue to speak up when I see what I consider to be wrong. It is unfortunate that our convictions have arrayed us in opposition, but as fellow sadhakas, I appreciate your best wishes, and you have mine. All the best.

Krishna, you seem to be an expert at avoiding accountability and your responses have only become more childish. If you will not address any of the points that I made about your hypocrisy and your ill intentioned methods of approaching a situation in which everyone has the right to question you and your friend who also cannot take responsibility for anything, then you are merely conceding to have been deluded and wrong in the entire situation.

Dear Kuru, sorry I will be using some harsh words here. I respect you as a Srividya upasaka, but as a person this is what I have to say. You claim to be a disciple of Shri Raviji. Is this the proper way to speak to your senior brother disciple? Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Krishnaji is wrong, did Shri Raviji ever teach you to address your senior brother disciple in this manner? Perhaps you are not fully aware of his teachings. As an outsider who has read his words, I understand that Shri Raviji’s Sri Guruji gave him only one condition before imparting all this knowledge: that he must leave behind his attachment to ego. In this entire argument, it is you who appear agitated, the very opposite of the Sthitaprajñatā that Shri Raviji advocated as the first sign of genuine spiritual progress. You seem to be carrying an Abrahamic Messiah/Saviour complex, believing it is your duty to “save” the community from delusion. I humbly request you to step out of that mindset and respect the tradition you belong to. If Shri Raviji is truly your Guru, then follow his decisions with humility. As I mentioned in my previous comments, if Shri Raviji felt that you or any other disciple was capable of managing the site, guiding students, and upholding the teachings, he would surely have given you Guru Diksha and included your name on the initiation page. Why didn’t he do so? Why did he instead feel that Krishnaji was worthy of managing the website? You call Tivra ji an anonymous person, yet your own identity is also anonymous. And if Krishnaji is truly doing such a poor job, why are the main disciples of Shri Raviji, those whose names appear on the initiation page, remaining silent? Why have Santosh ji and Jayanth ji not spoken out against Krishnaji? Do you not consider them worthy of respect as well? By the tone shown in your comments, you have already made a mockery of the parampara. In my opinion, it would be far better if you respected your Guruji’s decisions. Instead of spreading discord and negativity, please focus on sharing knowledge that can benefit others. Your words, and this discussion in general, are of no real use to anyone. If the disciples continue to fight publicly like this, the esteemed community will only become a laughing stock.

Bam, stand down. You know absolutely nothing about the opinions of the Manblunder collective, I assure you. Judas was also a hand-picked disciple of a great spiritual master who would turn to heresy to preserve his teacher's love in eternity, was he not? On the other hand, Ashvatthama, the apparent betrayer in the Mahabharata, of whom Ravi has a relic which still remains in the lineage, is our forefather, is he not? Do you even know him? Rasit, since you're something of a historian, look up my name again and read my comments; last year, I have traced the names of this lineage. Can you understand why one would take on disdain of the ignorant in the name of dharma and respect for his guru? Then ask me no more why I joined Kuru and why Amargi and Chakra have joined us. Who here are "many against one" and who here is Judas? Me and my brothers under Raviji are those outnumbered, who stand against the mob. Finally, Krishna. I'm very happy Chakravarti called your bluff before I could. It is a mystery to me why your beloved Tivra, to whom you faithfully defer every time and whose writings you have directly published as articles, has been absent from the Initiation page - yet you made me this offer in complete bad faith. This is terrible optics for you. I have given my e-mail already. Given the things we feel and broadcast as sadhaks, is this not sufficient, Krishna? Do you really need another anchor? What do you even want to do with my personal details, anyways - and what tantrik have you heard of who would hand them out? You'll feed my name to the cats and burn my photo under a bridge. Or perhaps use the alleged killing seal which your "great teacher" has given to everybody on the Internet randomly and without discernment. I know that you debate in bad faith and that sometimes you need more than words to get your point across. There is a single presence on this website whose grace allows him to publicly declare his identity and he is Shri Raviji, to whose light I pray you all return. And, Krishna, if this comment will somehow escape censorship, I would like to remind everyone of Tivra's claims so they may form their own opinions: the universe is 70% tamasic and at 100% it will be wiped out; Enochian angels can burn karma even quicker than Kali; one should approach Kabbalah before Shri Vidya; all of us reincarnate because we love the "fallen Brahman" (who's also allegedly YHWH); this same fallen Brahman has locked our DNA so certain mantras are blocked and only 1% of Shri Vidya power can be accessed; YHVH collapsed in 2022 and the angels are working on rebuilding him... I could go on. This is so far not only from Raviji's teachings but also from the experience of every single attained sadhak I know. By the way, do you know any, or is this all just LARP for you which you might as well do on 4chan/x/? For me, this is a virtual ashram. Its doors have been opened for me by Santoshji, and it is my sacred duty to preserve it against invasion and blasphemy; a few others feel this as well. We are sadly outnumbered, but let Raviji's will be done. And to the audience, my advice is this: don't believe everything you see on the Internet and don't start doing mantras just because you read them in the comments of some blog. There are some who can offer initiation or at least guidance. In one-on-one conversation, as is the way, as Raviji was doing. Manblunder has sadly become a place where people look for mantras, pick one or two or 30 which sound good and then they begin practicing them. This isn't a supermarket or eat-all-you-can. Raviji published hundreds of procedures, yet he always initiated people into them. Never did he say in a comment: "yes, go do this Durga mantra and you will get a girlfriend and money and friends and long life". And this is sadly the attitude of the modern Manblunder consumer: a mantra shopper, who sees his life lacking and desires the siddhi's mundane applications before the real attainments. But, brothers, as Sadhguru said: if you can't make this on this earth, you won't make it in heaven. For making money and getting girls, God has given you a brain; for illumination, God has given you a soul. To summarise, I am not backing down. May clarity be brought to everyone.

Dear Herodion, You and your like are extremely childish and immature. You probably don't realize that revered Tivra is a great Pratyaṅgirā siddha. Remember this - "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!". There is also a popular quote in Hindi that you can google - "Haathi chale bazaar, kutte bhauke hazaar" (हाथी चले बाज़ार, कुत्ते भौंकें हज़ार)" which roughly translates to "When an elephant walks in a bazaar, thousands of dogs bark!" I assure you, when there is a paśu, there is also a pāśa. My suggestion to you and your associates has all along been to target me instead of someone of the calibre of Tivra. You cannot approach the regent without tackling the attendant at the gate. I urge you and your friends to please continue your tirade against me and witness the benefits you reap. Lastly, Shri Raviji has entrusted us with some responsibility, and we remain committed to fulfilling the same. I fully acknowledge that it is futile to teach sheep about stars. 

I respect differences in opinion. It helps us all learn and progress as sadhakas, which we all are! Thank you Dear Chakravarti. I value your opinion and it is absolutely okay to differ.

Dear Herodion, you and your entourage are contradicting themselves, Tivra ji is a mahajnani, who knows the deepest secrets of the shastras, in fact it was Tivra ji who revealed the unpinning methods and explained the Mantroddhar verses to us, I want to point out this contradiction on one hand you call Tivra Ji a fraud who has hidden agendas, and your team has accused that Tivraji and Agni, Jothi, etc were all the same accounts, and on the other hand, you are afraid that a tantrik(hinted at Krishna JI) will perform Maran on you and use the seal Tivraji has given hahaha, if tivraji is a fraud why are you afraid of a fake seal given by a fake master(acc to you), now one more thing, Tivraji or the manblunder team has claimed/or published a mantra to get a "girlfriend", although even if they did, it wouldn't be wrong, the statement of yours just shows your ignorance of Sri Vidya , and the rashmi mala mantras, because one of those mantras is to get a "wife"/"girlfriend", now let me tell you one more thing, A Real Tantrik doesn't need your name, photo, etc to perform prayogas, your energy signature is enough, because it is deities who do the work not postmen, may god give you wisdom, and whether you like it or not, YHWH and Brahma are the same and Shukracharya is the "God" of the islamic faith, may you find the truth through your Sadhana, and if you haven't progressed enough to know, then maybe you should focus on your own Sadhana instead of trying to be the messiah, and remember TivraJi knows more than what is humanly possible in one lifetime, and Look at the CEOs and founders of all the top companies, you can see jewish dominance because of the grace of their Kabbalaic entities, similar to how Jains in India are very well off due to the blessings of Sri Parshavnath and Padmavati devi, so seeking wealth, love, etc is not a wrong thing as long as you are not hurting anyone else through shatkarma, so please educate yourself a bit more and do some more sadhana. Adesh Adesh

Krishna, you do not know what is a siddha. The person you are speaking about, on December 2023, used one of their many other accounts to join into a conversation and defend themselves as an alternate persona of Jothi. All of these accounts pretending to be different people for what, I wonder. Is this the behavior of a siddha? Is it the behavior of a siddha to also hand out mantras, promote guruless practice, while also promoting Kabbalah and enochian magic and reform on the solid rules of well established tantra shastra? Is it the behavior of a siddha to make themself a public figure and then run away whenever any responsibility or accountability is proposed to them? Tell me this then. You speak of immaturity but you're living in a fantasy land. You yourself have gone mantra shopping from so many lineages for so many mantras all online, and now you present the same thing on a greater scale to uninitiated students who are not accomplishing anything they could be accomplishing from a genuine sadhana. As previously stated, You avoid accountability and responsibility , We called your bluff , You protect someone who's identity is unknown to you yet known to us (how ironic) , You mislead beginners with what you are propagating and promoting , and you even attempted a 'sting operation' which the other admins who were not in agreement with you warned us about. Why have you fallen so far, hm?

Then stop barking and threatening bite.

Kashik, they themself and others have posted the books from which they have taken this information. It is all book reading and internet research. And also a lot of speculation.

showing the mantras that you have not realised is killing, how exactly? someone who compiled sharada tilakam, rudrayalamal , brihat tantra saar, would(could) not have possibly realised and awakened all the mantras present in them, that would be practically impossible, and No one is claiming the mantras as a Upadesha, I don't like arguing with your entourage because you people don't like logic, at the most what you do is, cherry pick one or two things and twist the point instead of accepting/trying to understand the comment.

Dear Herodion, why are you trying to create a toxic environment, everything has a limit, what if TivraJi, or the shakti's that are with him are annoyed enough to show you what they can do?, after all you are the one who is creating an issue here, there is a saying that goes like, "be careful what you ask for, you might get it", what if one of the shakti's of Tivraji finally has had enough and decides to "bite you", after all you are not only hurting Tivraji but also the people whom Tivraji values most dearly, also remember, even a lower entity sadhaka can know your real name and your past, then do you think it is difficult for TivraJi to find out about you?, and do one thing, since you are a true Tantrik then reveal the real name and details about ME let alone TivraJI, then I'll fall at your feet if you succeed hahaha

Namaste Herodion ji, can you please me tell how tīvra knows all these and mantra of other sampradaya, i never seen someone speak with this clarity as spoken by many realised people, how do they do it so logical and scientific? I haven't seen such clarity even in scriptures. What vidya is tīvra ji and other venerable sadhak are using to give such clear answer and such highly advanced mantra which i think can't be known simply from scriptures. I also been very curious the same question you asked why haven't any attain sadhak talk on these angel, yahwa, Jesus and other gods of west. It always puzzle me maybe because they don't come in our system or maybe other reason idk. But nonetheless i always be curious to know about the truth of world. Hope some day i get to know the truth and how these different religions came in existence.

Guys, everybody take a deep breath and relax. Remember the name of God and control your anger, Krishna and Heridon, I request you both to please calm down and get into dhyana of Isvara. This is necessary now. Other things can be dealt with later.

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Dear friends, over the last few days, we have all stated with passion where we stand. I too have made my thoughts known this time, motivated by a deep regard for shastra and tradition, which I hold in esteem. I have seen some speak with me, and some against. To those who have supported me, I offer my sincere thanks. To those whom I have opposed, I offer my sincere apologies. It is not my intention to cause any grief to anyone, and if anyone has been distressed by my words, I say, sorry, my friend. Accept my sincere apologies. To all of you, my fellow sadhakas, I offer my respects and give you my blessings. May God bless you all. Signing off Manblunder permanently, Cakravarti. Svasti.

Dear Chakravarti, this is a place for all sadhakas, irrespective of whether they belong to the lineage of Shri Ravi ji or not. It is certainly okay to have differences and disagreements. We should not have ego issues or feel empowered to do as we like etc. I would certainly prefer that mature sadhakas like you should stay here and guide others. I truly respect your disagreements with me as well. I would request that you please rescind your decision and remain here! This place is and will always be the embodiment of Shri Raviji. Someone will replace me soon but the activities and the spiritual goals set by Shri Raviji will live on. I sincerely apologize if I have hurt you or anyone with my own strong opinions and objections.

Namaste Krishna ji. What do you mean by someone may be replacing you soon. Does this signify your departure from Manblunder? Will you be removed from your administrative role? I sincerely hope this is not the case. You have maintained this website exceptionally well for a considerable period.

Namste Dear Bam, my intention is not to remove myself from an admin role for the time being, but hoping that someone with deep interest in tantra would step in and take over the task of translations. I started way back in 2018 in a small way and it picked up pace a few years ago but has considerably slowed down in the last 2 years. I am hoping that it does not remain the case for too long and someone steps in to accelerate the translations for the benefit of all! Until the transition happens, I am still here! I still have a huge backlog of translations to complete from the stack given by revered Tripuraghna, Jothi, Tivra and Prince!

They have already shared publicly. I don't believe I have published all the mantras and stotras yet. There are many mantra treatises that have not been translated and still lying in libraries and in private possessions. Hopefully they don't get destroyed and are made digitally available for the future generations. It is a universal heritage that should be preserved and made accessible to all.

Wowo krishna Just to clarify, does this mean there are still mantra, kavach, and stotra texts that remain unpublished? And among those, are there certain mantra stotras that haven’t yet been shared publicly by these sādhaks in comments but are shared with you and may be published in the future. Like new ones/secret we aren't aware of ?

This is very beginner knowledge Tivra, and it is also beginner knowledge to know that in order to reach this guru tattva it requires one of two things. The entire dissolution of the self, which is nearly impossible to do alone for almost all aspirants, because it involves the surrender of all comforts and attachments. Or, one requires a guru to lead them there. These are universally agreed upon to be the only two practical methods of reaching this. Your one dimensional views and assumptions that others do not have this extended knowledge is only telling of your limited mentality and experience. You have too much book knowledge and internet knowledge, and no real life experience. I urge anyone who takes this path seriously to go to places where they may find genuine experienced and Accomplished aspirants and gurus who have undeniable traits who can shift one's reality. This will change your life in actuality. It seems the internet is becoming more and more flooded with fabrications and false knowledge, making it a less reliable place even for beginner sadhakas.

Namaste Dearest Tivra. This is an eye-opener to all of us and may we continue to enrich ourselves with your contributions to the site. I for one among many here on this site, see the Guru tattva in you and are always in your embrace. This connection is permanent and was there before, is there now and will remain forever. Just like the rays of the morning sun emerging from beyond the horizon to dispel the darkness of the night, your words and profound insights remove all the ignorance and morbidity that has taken deep root within us due to our karmas, environment etc.

Thank you very much tīvra ji, this what i wanted to say but couldn't contemplate in words. Thank you for your profound insight and guidance.

Namaste Tīvra. Does the method of contemplating the four Upaniṣads—Bhāvanā, Tripurā, Kaula, and Aruṇā—also apply to unlocking the 28-letter Kādi Vidyā you revealed previously?(ka e ī la hrīm̐, ha sa ka ha la hrīm̐, sa ka la hrīm̐, ha sa ka la ha sa ka ha la sa ka la hrīm̐). Additionally, what are the Dhyāna Śloka and Viniyoga for this 28-letter Vidyā? I tried enquiring elsewhere, but this Vidyā appears to be quite rare, as others are unfamiliar with it.

Dear Tivra, thanks for weighing in. I'll certainly reflect on what you've said and get back to you. Krishna too has summarised this entire discussion phase in another comment and I believe that'll act as a signpost to beginners and future sadhakas on these points. @Krishna: I second the suggestions to create a discussion forum. The current system of searching for comments and replies thereto is just not very efficient. Let me know if you'd want any help. I'd be happy to assist.

Dear Tivra, I will not beat around the bush. You are the 900-pound gorilla, the elephant in the room, here on Manblunder. Your presence here is of great value to all, undoubtedly, but there are doubts, not without reason, about the way you're going about it. I believe there's a better way, a dharmic way to solve all issues at one stroke. In another comment I have suggested bringing you on board as a guru in a manner that will cause peace to prevail on Manblunder and also, more importantly, cause your guidance to be available to beginners and all sadhakas. I request you to go through that proposal in full. I hope you will reflect on it and do the honourable thing as an embodiment of the guru principle. Thanks.

I will certainly get this worked out and also work on the suggestions provided by others. You can also search the comments page by inputting their names and performing a search. There may be some missing comments and I will work with the Tech team to get that resolved. We will also work on adding more fields to search the comments database. Hopefully the tech team can get this done sometime this year or the next. Everything is done voluntarily and this may take some time.

It appears that Kuru was keen to receive instruction from Tīvra ji, but Tīvra ji preferred to disseminate his knowledge publicly rather than providing individual guidance. This situation seemingly caused some dissatisfaction, which may explain the targeted negativity directed towards Tīvra ji that we are currently observing. This interpretation seems quite plausible.

Yes Prince. Myself and some others wanted to see who Tivra really was at this time, to determine whether or not they are genuine. This was before their later posts proved otherwise. As well, it was before we were made aware of their multitude of accounts. I'm not sure if you believe this to have been a check mate moment, but a handful of us who were skeptical of tivra at the time were aware of this already.