i am somewhat scared, it seems to be a problem, all this conflict. i want to say with open heart, that if someone does not yet have Guru nor own clear Tantric path, you may drop all that you think is "your life and grain of sadhana" and a) ask here for initiation; b) try one (one!) of complete paths traced by Tīvra, - not atiugra, but from the very beginning, always appealing to himself in a mystic way if your heart feels so; --- but all the distinct practices that we find here may only become parts of our True Path Given by Guru! - i practiced Durga Navaksari for 15 years before finding Tivra's atiugra sadhanas to be mine... i passed ordeals that i don't want anyone to repeat. so be careful. may the Goddess be glad for all of us

Amargi, this is very true and very much the point as well. You have the mind and greater sense to understand what is the effect of your sadhana. And most of beginner sadhakas have no idea what is the effect of their sadhana at first, or will imagine one thing while another is happening. This is why a guru is there to guide them while they are blind. Or if a practice is given in certain instances where it is permitted, there are strict guidelines to follow. If by protected or deep will they are pulled away, they move to another sadhana then and then another. This spirals into a mess. This is what very often happens when we see individuals with no guidance attempting sadhana. The mind becomes chaos as a result of this, and it is worse if they don't accept that this chaos is a result of not having proper guidance. Amargi, it is very much a blessing if this type of sadhana bears fruit for you, because ordinarily sadhanas which destroy the material life involve a lot of hard work and forceful expression of kriyas before finally bearing the greatest fruit imagineable. It is very difficult for even experienced sadhakas to make it to the latter end because of dependancies on material life etc. It is a very good example, wonderful things can come and there is so much potential, if the proper guidance or guidelines is present. To also add clarity, i will not say who told me, but it was told to me that the accounts of tripuragna jothi and agni were alternate accounts of Tivra. If you are sad that they left, rest assured he is still here.

please check it out, it is a great contribution. in "show all comments" write the name of the commentor and check out what he speaks. please, dear all, don't ever think that Tivra really needs a guardian for himself and for his Knowledge. be guardians of Truth.

Tripuraghna have left. and Tivra once left. Agni. i noticed. i've been fortunate to be the favorite of a great Guru, and yet the practice of the higher sadhanas, which I received from Tivra, is destroying my life as valued by ordinary human standards. what if a beginner would take some of these methods, i can't think of it. what I mean is, I revere Tivraji as a true Guru, and I will stand up for his wisdom and realization; I'm happy that Krishnaji cares for us; but I also feel there is truth in what Kuru Sandhyasa contributes. less aggression, more understanding, brothers.

When true sādhana begins, we experience a rollercoaster of emotions as well as turmoil in our life. This happens due to intense karmic burning. This is where the role of a guru brings some comfort and assurance that we are on the right path and the same was followed by our predecessors. A true guru like Jayanth, Shri Ravi ji etc will absorb some bad karma of the sādhaka and in turn ease up their sādhana. In turn, the guru experiences pain in some form. They do this out of pure compassion for their disciples and sincere sādhakas. Advanced scholars and gurus like Tripuraghna, Jothi etc gave us a lot of information to help progress in our sādhana and they may still be looking out for us and others as well. They are also doing whatever good they can, in the best interests of the world in their own ways. We have people like Tivra guiding us now and let us make the best of it. We also have Jayanth, Prince and others contributing and helping us get further. Let us appreciate the gifts we have obtained and continue to make strides. The karmic barriers will break. It is only a matter of time for the sincere sādhaka to achieve their targets. Scriptures such as Devi Rahasyam state that the scripture itself can act like a guru to the sincere sādhaka. As much as possible, we must strive to obtain knowledgeable and compassionate gurus who can guide us. Secondly, all other sources of knowledge should also be carefully examined and absorbed if compatible with our practices. At all times, a sincere sādhaka should never deem any harm to any soul and must strive to be self-sufficient, compassionate and grow spiritually to the maximum extent possible. If it is not possible to find a suitable guru, by all means study the scriptures and take guidance of fellow sādhakas or knowledgeable persons to help us in our path. Let not the absence of a true guru be a deterrent. the path is much slower without a guru, but we will still get there. I started with books and finally came across my gurus who showed me the path that I follow today. The guidance will come in some format to the true seeker. The Divine Mother is everywhere and in everyone. She is the true Guru ultimately. All other human gurus and books etc. can only guide us to Her and She takes over.

Amazing. Best of luck to you.

NAMASTE TĪVRA JI, can you please talk about 7 veils in detail mentioned by Vallalār and most effective deity with respective veils. I also came across a similar idea in Islamic literature where 7 veils are mentioned in Quran " First is the veil of intellect, second the veil of knowledge, third the veil of the heart, fourth the veil of the soul, fifth sense perception, sixth desire, and seventh will. Do they differ fundamentally in their approach? Thank you very much.

Let's agree to disagree here, you haven't contributed anything at all!! If so, give a concrete example,please. What has my Sadhana accomplished? Just to name a few; the realization of that anger is toxic, someone who hasn't experienced divine love can't love and accept himself as well as others, hatred/ego is the self itself and the person who has that still has a long journey ahead of him regardless of what he believes himself to be, there are many different paths to salvation and my way or the highway does not apply to spirituality. It's much more than that but I think you get the jest. So my answer to you about what my Sadhana has given me is NOT "Nothing" , and well beyond "Something". You wrote "Those who were in agreement have all left, and many explained why before leaving". Well some might have left but I highly doubt that it was noticed by anyone else other than you. And if that is the case, why are you coming back again and again without contributing anything other than trying to confuse people with no luck so far?

What I have contributed is very valuable, it simply does not fall into what you are comfortable accepting. Those who were in agreement have all left, and many explained why before leaving. However, before any of you speak on what you think I have accomplished, what have you accomplished with your sadhana? Because if the answer is nothing, it means you need to seek guidance.

Krishna, please continue doing what you are doing now. There is nothing wrong is publishing information. Practicing without proper guidance does not give any meaningful result for most and select few who have good karma will benefit. Though I agree Guru is needed for meaningful progress in Spiritual life, they are now rare and who is ready to take over karma like a Guru to hasten the students path? It makes complete sense to have a guru but find one realised guru is like winning a lottery! So modern times need some amount of leeway. People who jump from one mantra to another regularly will reap no benefit from this (also they do not experience any progress as it only causes confusion / downfall and loss of valuable time) and if one is very serious, nature will guide him. I mean no disrespect to anyone but I support Krishna and he spends lot of time managing articles and writing the same. The point of the article that was written by Guruji or Krishna was to inspire and help that one individual among thousands, who is serious in sadhana for spiritual goal.