Thing is guru does not have to prove anything to aspirant. But as a shishya I have to prove daily my own worthiness. For someone this may look awkward, because modern mentality is all about some "rights", like everyone was born with a pre-defined set of Western liberal privileges and voting rights. But traditional ethics is all about "rin" — debts that cannot be ever paid in full. And one of these debts is to the guru.

Yes Mahasvin, this is very true. There may be a bending of rules however in the introduction due to deception in the modern world, and the lack of ability to discern reality. But one becomes entirely indebted to their guru and will easily live and die for their own guru with no second thought. It is difficult to understand for those who are unfamiliar.

If the grace of the guru uplifts the śiṣya (disciple) by the absorption of their bad karma, then surely a debt of love, respect and adherence to the teachings is created and the śiṣya is bound to fulfill the same. In reality, it is very rare to find such a true guru - śiṣya bond where both long for each other. It should be noted that a triad is implicit. A guru is a nobody when there is no śiṣya and their relationship is merely to ascend towards the Divine who completes the triad. The most important point to note is the Divine and not the guru or the śiṣya but the triad is incomplete without the three. It is the will of the Divine to express Itself as Itself, guru and the śiṣya. In other words, they are all one and the same, but appear different from a triadic perspective. The qualities expected of a guru is explained in another article on this site and one may lookup the same. Practically speaking, such gurus are very rare to find and so we need to make an adjustment somewhere to see if most of the expected qualities are present before becoming śiṣyas. Likewise, the gurus will also look for genuine śiṣyas and will tend to turn away non-serious seekers. Commitment towards sādhana, is the dakṣiṇa a guru should expect from a śiṣya. This rarely happens due to commercialization of the process and the presence of incompetent and non-committal gurus, as well as non-serious and greedy śiṣyas. We live in a highly demanding world and material dominance is significant. We must note that fruition of mantras does not happen merely after receiving a mantra from a guru but may materialize with sincere efforts of the śiṣya. The interaction between the guru and śiṣya cannot be a one time affair, as the responsibility and commitment is expected from the guru to explain all aspects of the deity sādhana to the best of their ability. Likewise, the śiṣya is also expected to commit to learning the same and committed to follow the associated rituals. Meditation and studying scriptures such as Advaita are a better way towards self-realization. Mantra sādhana is geared more towards bhoga (material fulfillment) followed by ātma jṅāna (self-realization) leading towards mokṣa (liberation) and as such, is very slow but most practical. One must note that millions of mantras have been documented and many were followed throughout the ages and continue to be invoked to this day. There are many instances of siddha gurus fulfilling the wishes of their śiṣyas through mere blessings. There are many testimonials of such gurus from respected individuals throughout the history. 

I would like to add a couple of things to Krishna's very good explanation. Firstly regarding who is a guru is without sisya, it should be known that many genuine advanced sadhakas and great gurus do try not to be found. But if one is truly genuine and willing to sacrifice any part of themself, they will be helped, no matter the instance. This is very hard for the modern mind to comprehend, but it is in the nature of this reality for whatever reasons, even I do not understand why. But the point is that yes for one who is truly genuine they will not be turned away. The next thing I would like to add is who is a guru. There are different levels to enlightenment and in some context anyone who is able to teach and transmit energy may be regarded as a guru, but it is known that there are several levels to enlightenment, realization, and capability. Traditionally we may view this as, one who has attained moksha but is still living, may be a guru. It can also be said that paramaguru in any lineage is the most important. And next is the one who has received the energy of the guru with the responsibility of leading others who are to become initiated in the lineage. It is very possible for an advanced sadhaka to become a guru to only a few others, but it is always warned that if this gets out of hand or the sadhaka becomes too well known, their water will evaporate like a vase left open to the sun. They will lose what they have accumulated and beyond losing siddhis if revealed ect. the fall can even kill the one in question. But in a stable lineage, the sadhaka will lead you to the guru. Or the guru will seek you out in some way. The first step for anyone who is struggling in this is to get out of your ways and leave behind your modern ideologies. Be willing to go to any length. Travel to the Himalayas, travel to varanasi, do something and anything to put yourself out there and be willing to go to any length. The reason I say this is not because you have to be in a geographical place for realization or finding of a guru to happen. The reason is because in taking genuine great actions, you will be causing an echo to resonate within the reality and these echos will cause many more things to happen far into the future. If you can not go to these places, then even physically wandering with yearning and searching for something in any way, will cause things to happen. Wander in natural places, wander the sandhya between night and day, in rain and fog, in the dead of night. Your perceptions of life and limitations will begin to evaporate. Lose yourself and your view of the world. Impossible Coincidences will start to happen, and within this frequency you Will meet those who you seek to meet. Life is not by chance and all things are attracted or repelled with one another. This is not the simple ideology of attraction or magnetism, It is in fact an extreme reality. The way you become will determine if you will or will not come across what you seek so badly.

please check it out, it is a great contribution. in "show all comments" write the name of the commentor and check out what he speaks. please, dear all, don't ever think that Tivra really needs a guardian for himself and for his Knowledge. be guardians of Truth.

Namaste tivra ji you said "while the rest is locked up and with limited strength." Do you mean that only kabbalah as full system is unlocked while the hindu system is locked (kilit) or kabbalah is also partially locked. Please enlighten us. Also tīvra how useful are utkeelan, nishkeelan, sanjivani, jagran and dipan mantra - do they fully activate the mantra or just partially?

Does that mean that the sadhana you have recommended to us (Shiva's Sri Vidya mantra) does not yield fruit? Then why am I still practicing it. I am honestly very confused and I cannot afford the time, energy or the confusion...

Dearest Tivra, thank you for looking out for the welfare of everyone. I bow reverently to your kindness and benevolence. I am experiencing quite a jolt of energy simply looking at the seal you have provided and am very thankful for it. Please feel free to share any information that you see fit to help sincere seekers in their life's journey, be it material or spiritual or a mix of both. Please know that there is a slient majority who adore you for the depth of knowledge that you share with everyone and may the blessings of the Divine Mother be upon you forever! Lastly, I would like to sincerely request from you to please share with us, the procedure of worshipping the combination of the 28 lettered mantra that is the fusion of the Kādi Pañcadaśī Mantra with Hādi Turīyāmbā. If the Viniyoga, nyāsas, dhyānas etc. are available, please share if the Divine Mother allows. As previously ordained by you, I will publish the Hādi Turīyāmbā and Mahā Tripura Bhairavī mantras very soon. Once again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart and sincerely pray for your continued guidance to all sincere seekers for a long time to come!

Namste tīvra ji you said "When we use Hindu Mantras, we are trying to activate parts of our DNA that were deactivated in the past by Brahma (YHVH) to protect us from ourselves." "The incredible Mother Kali and all her forms exist within the human being, for example, active or inactive in the DNA" my question is what is the difference between activating these parts of dna vs getting siddhi in the mantra? Does siddhi in mantra mean we have activated that part of dna or do you mean something else by this?. Secondly can you clarify what do you mean by deal with complicated things in past in this statement "Through the Mantras in Hinduism, you put these forms into operation, but you will be dealing with complicated things that were locked in the past"

Namaste Tīvra Ji. Sir what is the procedure to get money in Kabbalah like this as money is the most problem infront of humanity and mostly spiritual seekers. In these powerful countries most of them are financially free but we lack that life that gives us time to get rid of this core problem and seek solutions of this universe and service to humanity at the finest.

By inverted he might mean the colour of the triangle

Here is more elaborate procedure https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=414401395858137&id=390859868212290&set=a.390862364878707

It is easy for anyone to argue against. It is just a mix of very very surface level tantric philosophy, distorted puranic philosophy, and 20th century style misconception of kaballah. There is a lot of true or half true information mixed in with a lot of delusion. None of this is for those of you seeking spirituality, it is for those of you who are spiritually lazy seeking immediate gratification. Many of you will waste a lot of time on this before coming to the realization and the disappointment that will follow. Comfort is not a foundation for spirituality let alone a requirement, it is in fact the opposite. This is difficult to understand for those who do not want to have their feelings hurt and are stuck in their own way of life and unwilling to make changes to your own behavior and approach. The spiritual path begins to open once you begin to leave behind who you are and not to hold on to it. The blooming of kundalini itself is like rebirth within one life, through the burning of samskaras, it is death and rebirth without physical death. To truly bring this to light within oneself is the end of delusion and the beginning of accomplishment. In any system whether it is kaballah or sri vidya or anything else. It is fine for people to be subject to delusions within their own circles but it is not acceptable to allow and promote it here. This community is meant to honor Raviji and his work and not to go against it. If anyone recalls the countless individuals who have been helped by Guru Raviji before this take over of reckless practices and speculation , now those who frequent the website are all confused and unsure of what to do. Anyone with eyes can see the change in the pattern and the harm that is being done. It is fine that mistakes happen and we have gone through a bad period, now it is time to honor Raviji and rectify what has come of this.

Kuru, what do you seek to achieve by spewing such discouraging comments ? With the colourful commentaries you are giving, and standing at a ‘spiritually’ higher moral ground, it seems you have already wakened and blossomed kundalini, yet you act so frustrated and insecure with a spiritual ‘saviour’ complex. It seems you are looking down on us, who have yet to experience such experiences, telling us what to do and what’s ’correct’ when you in truth you youselsekd may have not known it yet and probably read it somewhere and spewing it here. In truth, we all don’t have any legitimate experiences yet, and we are all reading and learning. What’s wrong with differing opinions and Samarasa with other differing faiths and opinions ? In short, please don’t teach or remind the world about the ways of spirituality and yoga - you are not a Maharishi or accomplished anything in virtue, when you are yourself have yet to experience it. Have some tolerance and compassion and a sense of staying stay-put. Remember, the stones you throw at others, come often from your own house.

I’ve been observing your comments for a while, and I’ve been really patient, but your behaviour seems inimical to the safe learning community here. Be peaceful at yourself , and when environments change, tolerate it. No two people have the same minds, brains and thoughts, hence different opinions arise. Nobody is arguing, nobody is starting a faith war hence kindly stop crusading, and let the readers decide what’s good and useful for them.

Prince, With all respect to the various paths, and belief systems, there is a great deal wrong in whatever this doctrine it is that has been proposed. It more like a sci-fi story (or for those who are familiar with anime, powerscaling), and directly contradicts the teachings Śrī Ravijī had shared here, and the śāstras that delineate them, and that could be made clearer through a few examples based on the text. First, it is understood that in these texts, the manifest universe itself is her 'viśvasṛjana vyāpāra rūpa ānandātmaka krīḍā', or a divine play that generates the universe, suffused with bliss. It is from her śiśkṛṣā, that the vikāsa into manifold objects takes place. Some other passages describe it as a reflection of her own being, within her own being. "Paraśivaravikaranikare pratiphalati vimarśadarpaṇe viśade Pratirucirucire kuḍye cittamaye niviśate mahābinduḥ" If we extend the analogy of the mirror presented here, a 'brighter' creates a more luminous or perfect reflection, not shatter it. Second, the idea that Lalitā could be 'locked' is bluntly wrong. Śrī Kṣema says of Śakti, "deśakālākārāḥ tayā sṛṣṭāḥ, tayā anuprāṇitāśca, na tadrūpaṁ bhedayitum alam." Space, time, and form, having been created by her are not competent to define or delineate her true nature, so how would a character within that creation (Brahmā) 'lock' or obscure her? That's like trying to say that a dream character could imprison you in your sleep. The notion directly contradicts a few of the nāmas present in the Lalitasahasranāma, which Śrī Ravijī has graciously transliterated and translated for us all to read, though many don't. Take 'viśṛṅkhalā', which means unfettered, or svatantrā, meaning independent. She is nirīśvara, without superior, so how could an ontologically lesser being exercise power over her? If she is the sole reality (the Advaita, described in so many articles here), then there is no dependence on other, let alone a jailer, and that is just by definiton. Furthermore, she is called cidrūpiṇī, which is necessarily accompanied by svātantrya. 'Locked' consciousness is as meaningless as dark light, or square circle. In the chapters of the Śrī Kāmakalāvilāsa explaining the Pañcīkaraṇa, it is also established that the 'gross' universe is identical to it's subtler, prior source. On Kālī, this is what I have read: "Kālayati kalayati vā utpādayati pālayati praḷaye punarātmanyeva vilāpayati iti kālī." I am also sure in the other texts of this tradition, it is emphasized that her role is not only in pralaya, but also in sustenance, since she moves the universe through time. That's not even getting into teleology, because it is said that the thirst for siddhis (like even 'righteous' killing) leads down a crooked path that is the cause of downfall, so the practitioner must eschew it and take mokṣa as his only goal (as Śrī Jayanthjī has described in this article). In the Sahasranāma, Lalitā is called heyopādeyavarjitā, and you can see how this is in conflict with the idea of system where you have enemies to be killed, and some powers to be gained. I believe in another article on Manblunder, the subtler nature of the Eight Siddhis (from aṇimā) are explained, or maybe it is from a comment. Basically, the whole goal of this new proposed system is a gross perversion, bordering on heretic. Obviously, the confused theory about DNA would leave most scientists scratching their heads. I am not a scholar though, and not a Maharishi, just a humble student and so I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Dear Ashwin ji, Thank you for the most insightful comment that should be able to put to rest any questions on the effectiveness of Śrī Vidyā. Having said that, we should also acknowledge that most mantras are locked and their complete unlocking procedures remain very secretive to this day. Those locking them know the consequences of the damages these mantras could bring if they were to fall in the wrong hands. It is also common knowledge that Brahmā was cursed by Rudra and is therefore not commonly worshipped except in certain temples and in certain procedures. This is a reflection of His fallen status, though He is the Creator for this universe. I would suggest that everyone should be open to welcome procedures and insights that can help sincere seekers achieve their stated goals whether they're materialistic or spiritual or a mix of both, which is most common. It is also a great honor and privilege to have mahāsiddhars like Śrī Tīvra expound on the secrets that can help guide sādhakas in their journey. Not many seekers have well established gurus and those in search of the Truth should stop not till their goal is realized. Let knowledge come to us from all sides and may everyone benefit from it.

This community and website are for helping anyone interested in exploring spirituality. Tantra and other rituals are steppingstones to the altar of self-realization and liberation. Shri Raviji's endeavor was to help anyone seeking the goal of self-realization to find a pathway that would help them get there. His writings reflect the various doorways that a sincere seeker could access and move forward in their journey. I personally relished my online and in person discussions and disagreements with Shri Ravi ji over the years. I personally cherish every comment of revered Tivra and reflect very deeply on what he has stated. I do not expect everyone to follow or do the same. Our own self-introspection will lead us to the path best suited for us. I will conclude with a quote - "Let noble thoughts come to us from all directions. Rig Veda 1.89.1"

I will signal my concerns on behalf of Guruji’s legacy. The diluted kabbalah practices rendered by Tivra are misleading and badly represented. False knowledge should not be encouraged. Truly, an individual should be able to discern these things for themselves, but it seems that you and surely many other readers are willing to baselessly entertain this system’s validity, disrespecting a website dedicated to a fruitful Shri Vidya lineage. Of course, feel free to go ahead if you’re on Reddit! The information is even more problematic when it comes from a commenter who seems to be respected and not without his fans, because it confers a dangerous sense of legitimacy. Grace of senior beings is an absolute necessity for siddhi, as implied in Jayanth’s articles. Tivra’s comments on the essential guidelines in this article sow confusion and divide and falsely promise burning of karmas in a way that is very damaging for the undiscerning members of the community. Lord Dattatreya tells us to respect all paths, but that also implies the necessity to take a stand against dilution and false teachings, and from you and others I see only encouragement. Kabbala is not without its merits and its core texts overlap almost perfectly with tantrik science, but the way in which Tivra presents it is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Siddhi, again, comes as a result of grace. And we must always be skeptical of would-be gurus who publicly disseminate allegedly miraculous methods of attainment. From my experience, persistence with Shri Vidya has opened sufficient doors for sustenance. It depends on the individual if these are opened wastefully or not.

Dear Sir, have you or anyone from your lineage have any experience in Kabbalah or related practices? It is okay to disagree on what Śrī Tīvra has posted but let us not get overboard to the point of being venomous. No serious spiritual aspirant should indulge in mudslinging. I have followed the practices and many articles published by me, have the blessings of Śrī Tīvra and the content provided for these articles is also from him. If you believe the information provided by Śrī Tīvra is false and misleading, then please feel free to counter the same with solid arguments and explanations of the finer aspects of mantra śāstra and Śrī Vidyā in particular. I encourage your gurus and associates to also do the same in the interest of benefiting serious spiritual aspirants who frequent this website. The contribution to Śrī Vidyā by revered mahāsiddhar Śrī Tīvra is immense and places him in the same bracket as Śrī Ravi ji. This privilege is also bestowed upon Jothi, Tripuraghna and others who have contributed immensely to the content posted on this site. I offer my sincere obeisances to these stalwarts of tantra for their true compassion and service for the benefit of all.

God bless. My own guru has spoken on the work of Solomon and compared it to tantra, stating that there are many layers to the work and it is unlocked and understood through meditation and self dissolution into god, and that it is otherwise locked and fruitless. This is what I was talking about when I referred to tantra as relentless pursuit of the truth, as revealed by divine grace through nimitta. It is the same if we are talking of tantra or of Kabbalah. The Kabbalic system describes itself as being unlockable exclusively through grace. The Greater Key of Solomon (the lesser is forgery) is akin to Sripada Srivallabha Charitamrutam in that it acts as a "life manual" - as I have previously expressed - and that beyond the gross, its lessons are conditioned by the grace of its reader, much as you would say about a mantra that it is "cursed" for someone who does not have its diksha. It is the words of my guru that one who has attained some degree of siddhi through Shri Vidya is able to approach Kabbalah. The foundation of the teaching is not an easy shortcut through sigils and arcane syllables, but something that requires a lot of work and time. I have witnessed siddhi and power within my own lineage. You are inadequately describing this vayu of dharma which is shared by many others like myself as mudslinging. Debate in the name of divine truth cannot be sin and you should know and feel this. It is responsibility, one which you should feel much more stingingly than I, due to your quality as moderator of the virtual ashram of a respected parampara. From Lord Dattatreya, to Parashurama, to Ashvatthama, to Satyajitanath to Raviji. You repeatedly claim Tivra is a mahasiddhar. I will return your question: have you had any experience with siddhi in his lineage? Why do you mention him in the same breath as Guru Raviji, implying that he is on the same level? Can you assume that Revered Guru’s intention was to create doubts about the Shri Vidya system? Kabbalah’s wisdom, as I have said before, is in Solomon’s writing. You will see that its description of muhurtas and other astrological concerns are perfectly in line with Jyotish, as well as its allegorical passages describing powerful Pujas once revealed to the reader. Furthermore, which being, upon having discovered a self-sufficient source, would choose to reveal it unconditionally, as it has been done with the seal? Access to such a yantra is something you do not receive without the wisdom to not spill it sinfully to an unrestricted public of dubious intentions and levels of attainment. Surely you know this, and that Shri Vidya is the way of direct shaktipat, restrained transmission and personal experience. This is why I say it is baseless and diluted. It is not an immense contribution, but potentially a great harm to those undiscerning who apply everything they read without any discretion, as beginners tend to do. Sufficient grace allows you to progress from reading fabrications on 4chan’s paranormal board, but that does not mean it is optimal. Grace through sadhana by the guru’s command is the only way toward attainment. Jai Mata!

Thank you for the insightful comments. Śrī Ravi ji's teachings are poised towards self-realization and attaining liberation, be they through Śrī Vidyā, Advaita, Trika or Kuṇḍalinī meditation. The path we choose is upon us with clear guidance from a competent guru. Whether it is mantra śāstra, meditation or Advaita or Trika, one must have a competent guru. Whatever information provided on this site does not negate the need for a guru. If seekers understand otherwise or go for self-initiation of advanced mantras, they will see no results in most cases. Even with a proper initiation and guidance, most sādhakas do not find progress due to karmic blocks, locked mantras or lack of performing the required saṁskāras or following the proper pañcāṅga paddhatis for the higher mantras. Yes, I have interacted one on one with Śrī Raviji for many years and he found some of us competent to moderate the comments on this site and has also entrusted the responsibility to publish articles of spiritual interest to help sādhakas all over the world. He understood the secrecy of the tantras but also felt that these secrets should be unlocked and made available to sincere sādhakas who obtained the necessary dīkṣa from their gurus. There will always be differences between what is expressed here and what may be practiced elsewhere in other traditions. There are numerous traditions, and they may all differ in their ways and methods, but the ultimate goal of tantra is liberation. One who is competent may succeed or even fail, both of which are attributed to the Divine and not to oneself. In fact, the art of losing oneself in the pursuit of the divine, is spirituality and the embodiment of tantra. Lastly, there is no sin in extending a helping hand to those in need and masters like Shri Tivra are competent to even much further and elevate even sinners to attain liberation. You are welcome to post your comments but feel free to put the entire blame on me and not on any particular person. I take complete responsibility for whatever is posted here on this website. If any sin has been committed, then let it add to my karma. May all the curses make their way to me and I shall happily welcome them at my doorstep!

I wanted to let others speak more before commenting again but I will intervene. Manblunder has transitioned, over time, from a platform in which many people were benefitting and developing spiritually, into a platform where people are very confused and breaking the most foundational rules of sadhana; receiving diksha, followed by consistent focussed practice, and engaging in proven truth. Proven truth means, knowledge which has worked for others, not caused racing minds and confusion and the constant chasing of things that will take effect immediately. This is the foundational system we have had, because it works. The harm comes when practices and half baked knowledge which causes [racing minds, mental distortion, confusion] becomes prominent and individuals do not grow. Growth it not subjective. If your practice does not yield life changing results, then you are not using the right practice. If your sensory perception of the outside world, sensations in the body, and experiences with both the outside world and your own internal experiences does not drastically change, then what you are doing is wrong and you must seek out a path which works. It is this simple. Those of us who are ardently pushing for this are not doing so out of a superiority complex or some desire to be combative. We are doing this because of the suffering that is caused by poor practices and information being spread. Unfortunately there is a limit on what we can do to help those of you who do not have the sight to differentiate truth easily. I am sorry you are in this position Krishna and I truly hope that some day you come out of this noise you are in. Your mistake was in practicing such a multitude of mantras which has distorted your mind. Please go to India and find a guru who can prove himself to you beyond a doubt, instead of calling a white man on the internet in his 20s who lives in a city and does AI research as a mahasiddha and a guru.

good points made, and excellent thinking from you krishna.

Dear Kuru Sandhyasa, thank you for your comment and mature advice suitable for all sādhakas. We certainly welcome your insight and advice for the betterment of sādhakas and the effectiveness of their sādhana. If you would like to provide more details of competent gurus who are willing to help sādhakas irrespective of their color, nationality, age, gender etc. realize their material and spiritual aspirations, then please do so and this information would be very useful for sincere aspirants. I agree that the website has transformed slightly in the last few years since I took over the task of publishing mantras and stotras. More than 95% of the content on this site still bears the mark and excellence of Shri Ravi ji. Those looking for spiritual wealth will not be disappointed in studying the articles and books published by Shri Ravi ji. All articles written by others bear the signature at the bottom of the article. Less than 3 or 4% of the content may be attributed to my ignorance and incompetence in explaining about mantra śāstra. Very strangely, it found the admiration of Shri Ravi ji and he allowed me to post the articles as I deemed fit. This is not something that i aspired to, but it is the least I could do as a seva to Shri Ravi ji who guided me and became one of the most important figures in my life's journey. I do not know if you had a chance to meet him and be in his presence. He certainly was a great siddha puruṣa whose glance could transform our lives. For an extremely ordinary person like me living in America, to write about mantra śāstra with no prior knowledge or pedigree, is unthinkable. I dedicate and write in the name of my gurus and by the guidance of the Divine Mother. Yes, I have practiced many mantras over a couple of decades and this could not have been possible without the guidance of competent gurus like Shri Ravi ji, Medhayoga Krishna ji and Shri Ramesh Kutticad ji, all of whom I am blessed to have as my gurus and guiding principles, besides others, who also initiated me into other mantras and various other disciplines such as Kriya yoga etc. It is my endeavor and a promise I made to Shri Ravi ji, to help all aspirants irrespective of their race, age, gender etc, to provide guidance related to mantras and help them as much as possible. I do not intend to be a guru or guide but serve as a pathway that leads them to such competent personalities or endeavors, should one approach this path. In other words, just a lighthouse. Success or failure is based on one's efforts, karma, guidance of the guru and the grace of the Divine Mother. Rest assured, we are not here to misguide or judge anyone. Regarding Tivra being a teenager or an adoloscent or white, black, yellow or brown, or even an extraterrestrial or extradimensional being, is irrelevant. What is of essence and importance is his immense knowledge and insight in tantra śāstra that makes him one of the greatest living masters. Let us not forget that great scholars thrice the age of Śrī Ādi Śaṅkarācārya fell at his feet and adopted him as their guru. I personally do not regard AI or its users as incompetent in providing spiritual advice. So even if Tivra were an AI bot and not a real person, I am absolutely okay with it. He is still a person I would take a bullet for - anyday, anytime, anywhere! I respect your choices and suggest that you extend the courtesy to others as well.

Krishna, the goal of my rudeness is to shake you out of a particular way of thinking. With the time you have dedicated to your various sadhanas, if it were focussed in the right place, you could have attained to such heights. In my opinion you are an extraordinary individual but misguided. But there is a mentality and an approach which must be taken with seriousness by those who seek such fruits as siddhi or revealing the light of guru tattva within one self. I have met Ravi ji and as such I hold him in immense reverence, more than I can possibly put into words, and so I show zealousness partly as a reflection of the high regard in the way I keep him in my heart. Regarding the nature of meeting any other gurus, I must say, most human beings who attain to a very high state prefer to remain hidden unless they want to be found. A great guru will seldom make themself a public figure. Sometimes beings like Ravi ji do emerge, And you will know they are genuine by the way they transform the lives of so many individuals! You must be able to see the harm in that you, as a moderator of this platform, are bringing the attention away from such teachings and towards an individual who is not causing the transformation of lives but rather the enablement of mind and confusion and lowly approaches to spiritual life. It is evident in those who are following him the changes that are not occurring which must occur for somebody on this path. On the note of bringing up someone's age and skin color and where they live, I would only ever do this to prove a point, harmful as the display may be to me. Believe it or not, I do wish the best for everyone here, but harmful actions can not be tolerated without a reaction. Finally, to speak on how one would be able to find a guru for themself, would be to speak on how one should be if they want to be accepted by such a guru. The best way is to change one's lifestyle to which they are an invitation to such transformation already. This is not a simple thing and one has to rid themself of the desire for entertainment and satisfaction first, but by anyone who is genuine it can be done and it brings all sorts of knowledge and experience on its own. But this is a conversation to have on its own, in its own separate thread. I wish only benevolence and clarity upon all who are here on this platform, no matter what severity must be shown to help others.

Thank you for looking out for me and the suggestions for improvement. I shall certainly consider the advice and ponder upon the same. I would like to point out that some of the advice provided by Tivra may not be received well by everyone, but there is no question that he is a well accomplished sādhaka and his benevolence in sharing deeper secrets of tantra sādhana have benefitted quite a few serious aspirants including myself. I am personally very grateful for all his contributions and look forward to more. One need not connect with everything that is stated or shared on this platform. Even the recent comment of Tivra discreetly describes the mantra that awakens the full power of the Kuṇḍalinī. Those who understand the Kādi and Hādi mantras may be able to discern the coded information. Those who question the validity of his statement need not subscribe to his views and instead stick to their own traditions and belief systems. Those who are willing to look further and explore deeper can ponder upon what is shared. Further, it has been the endeavor of Shri Ravi ji to share the deeper secrets of the Indic philosophies with the world that led to the creation of this website and various books published by him. We are simply doing our best to maintain the same and keep the continuity in our own ways through our chosen paths. Shri Ravi ji being an erudite scholar and practitioner, has provided insights into many practices and has taught the same to thousands of individual aspirants. All of his writings will be preserved and maintained for the current and future generation of seekers. Lastly, when we talk about authenticity, I would like to ask what is the source of Śrī Bāskararāyas Varivasya Rahasya that has become a textbook of Śrī Vidyā? Are these his own personal insights or of his gurus? Also, all the Purāṇas, tantras etc. were once oral traditions that became manuscripts at a later time. There are thousands of variations of mantras and stotras often attributed to the same source and further there are many variations in the practices of various sāmpradāyas and kulas. Who is authentic and who isn't? What to choose and what to ignore is best left to the discretion of the individual sādhaka to ponder upon. To quote another example, Mahidharā states that after practicing a couple of sādhanas and upon the insistence of his son and other śiśyās, he undertook the effort to compile all available sources of mantra sādhana to create the magnum opus called mantra mahodadhi. He clearly did not practice the sādhanas of all these deities but went ahead in publishing the same in his works without clearly quoting references for every verse and mantra. The references to rudrayāmala tantra are also unverifiable as the full text of the original document is considered lost. You may also observe that he has not provided the source of these mantras and to what original granthas they belonged to for all verses. It is our good fortune that his works were preserved through the generations despite the hostile conditions that prevailed during these times and the negativity and secrecy that remains to this day! Also, what is the source of Śrīvidyārṇava tantram and for what purpose did Yati Śrīvidyārṇava compile this manuscript when he did not have any aspire for anything and led an austere life? What was the purpose to compile the greatest compilation of mantras that has still not been decoded - Siṁha siddhanta sindhu? Can we even begin to comprehend the efforts and difficulties that ācārya Gosvāmi must have gone through to compile and preserve this compendium for the future generations that is still lying the archives of the Rajasthan Oriental Library? Honestly, why are we so against preserving and propagating these scriptures? Should we let them simply disappear? Who gave us the right to keep this information discreet and hidden from the world and judge who should be eligible to receive the same? I recently learnt from a scholarly priest that he stumbled upon an old notebook in a store selling used books. The muslim store owner noticing the priest offered the notebook free of cost stating that he had obtained it from a vendor selling paper by weight. This old notebook contains a rare unpublished manuscript that is now published in a printed bound book format and shared with erudite scholars with a secrecy clause! I had the good fortune to see the manuscript and offer my advice on some aspects. All I wish to state is, let us learn to tolerate our differences and live amicably. Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu! 

Dearest Krishna , the point is not in verifying the authenticity of anything , the point is that when a genuine teacher is asked that they will give the answer needed to bring the sadhaka closer to clarity. Even if the answer is "I don't know", from the mouth of a genuine guru, it will somehow reveal so much, because this is the action of such great beings. I will tell you first hand, when questioned this way, they may even be very unexpected in their responses in order to illicit a response that will then cause inner clarity. Their workings are subtle, complex, and beyond surface comprehension. And they cause changes not otherwise possible. Moving forth. Yes, Mahidhara did compile this text, but i believe he himself alluded to omitting and slightly modifying much from his own text in order to prevent misuse or improper revelation. Typically this is what happens , and yes there is a factor of timing in which things like this are to be revealed to the world. There are windows which do open in our world, which allow great revelation to happen in short periods. So public knowledge can be beneficial to humanity in these periods. The point is not to suppress information. But the point is that if anyone is approaching these types of teachings, they must be given directly the right teachings of lifestyle, approach, sadhana [diksha first and then consistent practice for a long period, an effective pranayama for their practice, whatever other principles are necessary for them] But especially through tivra's comments and the general direction of the community, everyone believes they can just practice any multitude of mantras uninitiated with no lifestyle change and attain results. This dries up and damages the body and makes the mind chaotic. There is a great deal of harm in this. There must be a change in a better direction for the actual benefit of those who don't know any better. There is an opportunity to genuinely transform lives with this platform rather than allowing chaos to take root under the guise of spirituality.

Dearest Kuru Sandhyasa, I totally understand the anguish a seeker would experience when their queries are not fully answered. In my opinion, we already have a wealth of information in the tantras that should be more than sufficient for our regular needs and as you have correctly pointed out, the esoteric information is hidden and must be learnt from the initiating gurus. What we find in the books, websites and publications may require clarification to help the seekers. I am very thankful and appreciative of the contributions made by revered Tivra, Tripuraghna, Jothi, Dylan etc. who have enriched our practice with the wealth of information that they have already shared so far. Let us not get stuck on the scriptural references etc and waste our time, effort and energy. If it appeals to us and if we are permitted by our guru tradition to accept the advice, then the same can be incorporated into our practice. One must definitely make all efforts to enrich their knowledge through the study of the tantras and above all, practice whatever is divulged to them, very seriously. I am totally in synch with you that anyone interested in serious tantra must consider getting an initiation and proceed with the suggested krama per their guru tradition. Please continue to participate and advice seekers on the merits of mantra practice and other aspects of spirituality as and when possible. I am certain this will be of great benefit to all!

I am not sure you get the point I'm trying to make. It is not so much that it is another system, since there are many other systems. It is a system that collapses under it's own weight, since it goes against the teaches of the traditions it borrows from, in both Kabbalah and Śrī Vidyā. Obviously, Śrīvidyā is a very ancient tradition. As such, I think it is necessary to cite the great masters, who laid out definitions, and worked step by step to argue their beliefs, identify and resolve objections, and integrate this into practice. Again, it is not so much that they were XYZ years older, but because they were the stalwarts who laid out the grounds for the philosophy we stand on, and they talk about very relevant modern issues as well. Most importantly, the way they lay these arguments out is internally coherent. Nonsense and heresy is definitely divine, the same way a pot is, but the fact of its existence does not abate suffering. A teleology that espouses compassion and tells you to murder, or Karma that is automatic but can be overridden by murder magic, is self contradictory. On suffering, it's interesting because it is not something I've yet brought up, and I absolutely agree with you that we must act to protect the welfare of not just ourselves, but all beings. Where I differ is, I would rather give a poor man food and water, or teach a young child than practice rituals from a contrived and incoherent system. I hope you get what I mean. P.S. the reason I accept some of the scripture, especially the ones I cited was because they are reasonable. If we have 2 statements that are mutually opposing, and one that is verifiably true, then you must reject the other. If you didn't reject the other, then you cannot make any positive claims about anything, since 'anything could be true'. That is what I think about truth.

I should also clarify that I wasn't 'born' into this system. My father was communist, and part of student associations in his youth and my mother had always been a-religious till came times once a year, where we would fly to India, and go to the temples. Even then, when I was younger, I would roll my eyes, yawn loudly, and tap my feet while waiting in queues, and rush hastily past the Sreekovils so I could get home faster. It was only by chance that I came across Western panpsychism, and subsequently Advaita, and then by my sheer luck, this website. I am deeply indebted to all the writers here like Śrī Ravijī, Śri Krishnajī, Śrī Jayanthjī, Śrirāmjī, and others and only went out of my way to comment because I felt that the recent narratives being peddled here were dissonant and erred from what was initially taught. Again, it is our duty as human beings to help others, be it physically, monetarily, or spiritually, but it is wrong for someone else to leverage that kindness and try to goad us into a new system that has till yet shown no footing, when instead, we could be doing immediately productive things like studying to become doctors, teachers, and nurses, organizing food-donation camps, or just donating to charity in general. I should also say live and let live, since I think the people who frequent the site can exercise their better judgement, and decide what to do for themselves.

Well, Prince, Śrīvidyā is also world-divinizing, and about 'seeing the divine' immanent in all beings, from worms, to the best of men. To say that the goal is only to 'transcend' is wrong, as such. Even 'transcendence' as described is to reach the other shore, not jump out the boat halfway through. My goal with citing the works of the Ācāryas was to show that these new systems are far-removed from the traditions, and the only semblance they share are in superficial details, like names and mantras. We also see how it contradicts itself, and how can what contradicts itself be true?

I have nothing productive to say.

*** Removing personal references and distasteful comments. Rest of the comment is reproduced as is.*** -- Krishna. 

There are many ways to self-realization, that is true and it has been independently asserted by multiple sources. However, questioning the process of another tantrik like Kuru, of whose capabilities you truly have no idea about, is speaking wastefully and is infuriating to all who know him. Your assertions about the kundalini of other practitioners have absolutely no basis. Before you do that, and before promoting this practice or that practice, consider applying the teaching of integrated sadhana methods – one of which you can find even in Kabbala. It is much more important than this fruitless attempt at Bhakti yoga of declaratively loving everything while suppresing your discernment, willingly or not.

Please delete my entire comment then. There was no comment. There were some facts and conclusions or questions based thereon. What has been retained is hardly my comment. There is no point in retaining even that.

Abhishek, do not worry, your efforts are helpful. For those of us who want to restore the platform, We must continue to do what we can. We must push to reinstate the sanctity of this platform and to bring it back to a state where it is benefiting others, to bring manblunder back to Sri Ravi ji's teachings, as is meant to be.

I frequently visited this platform and even recommended to others. People should have unshakeable faith in their ishta devatas. I asked source of the claim that all mantra, tantra etc. are blocked, and it seemed as if irreversibly. Even that was deleted. Now how does asking source become distasteful and personal is beyond comprehension. I saw someone here asking “are we wasting time in sri vidya” (not precise words, but to this effect). So this is the effect of recent discussions.

Krishna, it is absolutely unheard of for a teacher of any type to spill secrets and mantras to the public in the first place, and then conceal the sources of such secrets, whether self revealed or otherwise. It is, however, absolutely commonplace for teachers to conceal these secrets and knowledge in the first place and not to spill it in the first place! This is very, very ridiculous. You can not mix recklessly spilling rahasya mantra of any category, and say it is the same as keeping it secret.

Sorry Krishna ji, after that editing nothing remains to be said from my side.

Dear Mr. Abhishek. Sometimes the commenters do not wish to disclose the sources. Let us be mindful of the same and respect their privacy. Even adhipatis of various mutts in India do not disclose the secrets that they're sworn to protect and ask devotees to follow simple worship and avoid any form of tantra for most people. My sincere advice to you and to all seekers is - Please DO NOT ACCEPT any mantra published by anyone on this site or any publication for that matter, but accept the same when handed down to you by a competent guru. This is the suggested norm prescribed in all tantras. If you have unshakeable faith in what has been given to you with proper initiation, explanation and guidance, then follow the same to the best of your ability and efforts. Exploring this website or any others may lead to confusion if it conflicts with the explanation already provided to you in your lineage. You need to be mindful of that and only if that is acceptable to you and permitted by your guru, should you indulge in exploring the same. The intent and the efforts of the contributors to this website is to provide a deeper insight into all aspects of spirituality if we are competent enough to do so. Once again, what is provided here should not be accepted at its face value but may be considered if permitted by your lineage and upon obtaining the explicit permission of your guru. Thank you for your participation and references and I hope you find what you are looking for with the explicit guidance of your guru.

Dear B Sharma, I understand the frustration and disappointment you are going through right now - it is a common feeling arising for normal people like us who attempt to seek help to experience the divine, but are often told, “wait, a highly qualified guru will come, and he will teach xx for you”. Sadly from my limited experiences, I can tell you that such sayings are mostly just to temporarily satiate your frustration, so that you do not lose faith in these systems. Let’s take our scriptures for example. Some scriptures already present 10 billion (highly exaggerating) restrictions to our proposed ‘spiritual path’ in order to progress. I am not saying that restrictions are bad, but the same scriptures (for example, claim only people from certain birth or nature can do xx practices, others should do yy practices - due to hierarchical differences; while other scriptures allow all to engage in practices provided, they do ‘x’ restrictions). The point is, first of all, we don’t have time for all of these, and we already live in a world that we cannot afford to spend time away from. In truth, it is your divine right to get all good knowledge, good wealth and happiness, without any restrictions, but all i can guess is, in the past, some relatively intelligent souls have restricted this information for their own benefit - under the guise of fear as such - “you are unfit to practise these; and if you do, you will harm yourself!”. We are all fearful of such experiences that we have no choice but to follow those restrictions. I am sorry, and I truly am, but know that the Divine is already in you. Why would it harm you ? If anything, if you feel you are ‘unfit’ for such ‘dangerous’ knowledge, then ask the Divine for the strength and capacity to conduct it safely - with true and unshakeable faith that is. I believe by doing so, you can circumvent the restrictions the external world puts on you. scriptures , and traditional gurus are definitely needed, but they can only do so much, and especially in today’s uncertain world. I only want everyone to be happy, peaceful and their days filled with love and life. Here is a short prayer that you can try, “Lord of all Universes, Lord of all worlds, Lord of all environments, Lord of all creatures and things, by my divine right, please show me the way to good knowledge, good characters and good actions. And if I'm not ready for these treasures, then please prepare me gently and nicely with absolutely no struggles, in order for me to know all these things. May I use your gifts for the wellbeing of myself, others, other creatures, worlds and the universes. May I always be protected by your Anugraha-Sakti (Grace).” You can do this prayer with utmost sincerity and faith is to your own favorite deity, because all deities are just the forms of the One. thank you and take care.

That's a very good answer Dear Prince! In my personal opinion, it takes a lot of time and effort to see success in mantra sādhana. But if one is persistent and patient, chances are, in a few years of regular practice, they will see some success. As regards to siddha gurus, in today's world they are an extreme rarity. In my opinion, I feel gurus like Tivra, Tripuraghna, Jothi etc. fall in that category as their words and explanations of mantras are certainly profound. It is not possible to acquire this knowledge without actually experiencing certain high spiritual levels. Whether their words yield tangible results or not, is something that only those who are experienced the same, can attest to.

definitely Krishna, thank you for sharing, facilitating and moderating this space.