This verse is also featured in the authoritative Sri Vidyarnava Tantra, attributed to the revered Vidyaranya Yati. You can see it in this screenshot: https://snipboard.io/FE8CI6.jpg

Hi Chakravarti, I actually spoke with a Tantrik a while ago who confirmed that the Rudrayamala verse I shared is authentic. He also mentioned that the original Rudrayamala, which may or may not be available to the public anymore, specifies that you don’t even need initiation to worship your Ishta Devata or Nakshatra deity. For example, if your Nakshatra is Punarvasu, you can chant Devi Aditi’s mantras without being initiated. The same applies if you identify your Ishta through your Kundali. Of course, anyone may disregard my comments as I am no expert in Tantra; the words of experts like Tivra, Krishna, Prince, Kuru, Herodion, Jayant etc., will naturally carry more weight.

My dear Chakravarti, yes you are absolutely correct in both aspects. First and foremost, the authentic tantras do not use language and wording in this way. Every piece of knowledge is given very poetically and must be interpreted. Even something such as a mantra is rarely given outright. Bijas are described by their traits, or the characters or objects represented, often very conjuncted, and even after interpretation it is impossible to know if the correct interpretation is derived or not, without an enlightened guru to give the certain answer. Secondly even when Vidya is given with regards to astrological sciences and timing, it is always the qualities described of the appropriate timings. It is all very encoded and even so, a process is never given start to finish this way. There are manuals and manuscripts written in the medieval period such as mantra rahasya mahodadhi ect which do give much more clear instruction but those texts repeat a thousandfold that without a guru one will suffer so many downfalls and will not accomplish anything. Lastly, there is in fact a process which is similar to the one described which uses bhojpatra and a certain ritual to attain mantra shakti for a mantra, permitted for those who can not find a guru and who have undeniable need for the mantra (not for ordinary circumstances), but the entire process and ritual must be done hundreds of times until the devata appears in a vision or a dream and grants diksha directly. There is no room for imagination or false success here. Aside from the fact that it is obvious AI, uses language and structure which does not exist in any tantra that I have ever known of, the fact that it is contradictory to what is repeatedly said everywhere about guru necessity, and the fact that the ritual given is extremely simplified and gives a promise of immediate and unrealistic results, I think it is a safe conclusion to say that it is an AI fabrication.

Dear Raman, kindly see Kuru Sandhyasa's comment. There is a suspicion that the verse you quoted might not be real. Pls do clarify and update us about its authenticity. Now, I am aware that there's no standard text or edition of the Rudrayamala. I'm also aware that many, many things are attributed to the Rudrayamala. Several texts have been published by several publishers saying that their version is a fragment or part or section of the famous Rudrayamala. Even the Devi Rahasyam, which triggered all these discussions, is a distinct text traditionally appended to the Rudrayamala. The editor of a edition of the Devi Rahasyam, Janki Nath Kaul, metioned his own suspicions about the redaction of this text (Devi Rahasyam, not Rudrayamala as such) and observed that the Devi Rahasyam seems to have been redacted in modern times. The Rudrayamala has become a catch-all, as it were, for anything and everything about Tantra even if it is or is not related to Kashmir, Saktism or Saivism. However, I have always still believed that the core text exists, and is authentic in essence. Therefore, I request you to give all of us such assurances as can be mustered by you on the issue of the verse you quoted. Thanks.

Dear Kuru Sandhyasa, I believe you're referring to Raman's comment wherein a specific verse in praise of initiation through Siva Dakshinamurti, said to be from the Rudrayamala, is mentioned. Kindly let us know if you think the said verse is fake and has been hallucinated by AI. I personally do not mind using an AI to dress up ones' language (and I keep silent when I register the characteristic AI flavour), but I believe It is necessary for all of us to actively resist AI fabrications. Pls do let us know if you think the said verse from the Rudrayamala is not authentic or wrong in any manner. Thanks.

Dear Mnx, I am in sympathy with your observations. But the ground reality as I perceive is not encouraging. People are simply not succeeding in mantra sadhana as a rule, and mantra siddhi in current times is almost an exception and not the norm. Here, on Manblunder itself, Krishna has also said the same thing in so many words so many times to so many people. Siddhi in mantras is simply not happening at an encouraging rate. There is a clear decline in the rate of success. I'm not saying nobody is succeeding, I'm saying very very few, almost none, are succeeding. This is the hard truth of the reality of mantra sadhana today.

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Hey Krishna. If you have to edit out any criticism or mention of conflicting ideology, to silence any mention of it, maybe you should just stop protecting it. You're putting your faith in a basket that I guarantee has not affected you in the same way as a genuine guru like Ravi ji. Feeding your imagination and echo chambering yourself into belief is not helping anyone. -- This message has been edited to remove some references --

Dear Kuru Sandhyasa, we have agreed previously to maintain the sanctity of this site and agree to disagree respectfully. Please let us not take any individual's name or show disrespect in any manner. We can simply state that we disagree with what they have to say and you have already done so previously. Let us leave it at that. I can take any amount of criticism directed towards me, but not upon others.

I love the unedited gpt comment, it excellently conveys the merits of engaging in sadhana with no guru and how in the current times of kaliyuga, one can only hope to attain mantra siddhi if the "glitchy" guru seeking mentality is abandoned. This has been very eye opening for me. -- This comment has been edited slightly --