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April 01, 2026 11:04 PM
Namaste Chakravarti. I remember reading one of Ravi Guruji's post, where he said, those who are not initiated by a Guru, but are progressing in sadhna, are initiated by Lord Shiva. Though I don't recollect the exact article. About achieving sidhhi in any mantra can be known only when that sadhak reveals result of his sadhna. Many people are not comfortable in doing so. Whereas in case of Guru who's present, knows his disciples progress. He makes judgement about sidhhi for his disciple. When the person is guided by Lord Shiva or Devi, a good connection is made between them. Sufferings are due to karma getting reduced, which can be a painful process, that might be judged as misery. But things are taken care of by the Divine. If a shishya trusts his Guru then a sadhak who is not having a human Guru, trusts his Divine Guru too. Communication is between them, till it's revealed by the sadhak.
Chakravarti
April 01, 2026 10:04 PM
Wow, this is indeed next level. Thanks a bunch for sharing. This sets me thinking about how, given all these additional ways and means, the number of sadhakas who attain success in their mantras, who achieve actual mantra siddhi, is not increasing. I believe the numbers in modern times are relatively lesser, in fact. I wonder why it is that when the gods have made the path easier, we seem to suffer more, stumble more and never quite arrive at the destination. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and here, the results are dismal.
Raman
April 01, 2026 11:04 AM
Dear Chakravarti, I also wanted to throw this into the mix: beyond that Devī Rahasyam verse, the Rudrayāmalam actually drops an even bigger bombshell. In the Kali Yuga, taking initiation directly from Lord Dakṣiṇāmūrti isn't just a backup plan—it’s actually an upgrade. The text suggests that in this age, receiving a mantra with Lord Dakṣiṇāmūrti himself as your Guru is actually superior to seeking a living teacher. Given the prevalence of "glitchy" gurus today, it’s a powerful reminder that when human lineages falter, the Divine source remains wide open. I’m producing the relevant passage below; make sure you pay close attention to that final śloka. Now, one might be tempted to label these as later interpolations, but these verses are well-known among some old-school Tantriks I’ve consulted. Based on that oral tradition and the internal consistency of the text, I believe these are authentic verses of the Rudrayāmalam: गुरोरभावे विप्रेन्द्र मन्त्रग्रहणमुच्यते । कृष्णपक्षे त्रयोदश्यां दक्षिणामूर्तिसन्निधौ ॥ तालपत्रे मनुं लिख्य स्थापयेच्च तदग्रतः । संपूज्य दक्षिणामूर्तिमुपचारैः प्रयत्नतः ॥ पायसं विनिवेद्याथ प्रणमेद् दण्डवत् ततः । तालपत्रं समालोक्य पठेदष्टोत्तरं शतम् ॥ एवं गृहीतो मन्त्रः स्यागुरोरपि विशिष्यते । गुरोः सम्भाविता दोषाः प्रायेण च कलौ युगे ॥ एवं गृहीतमन्त्रः स्यात् सर्वसिद्धिप्रदो नृणाम् ॥
Chakravarti
April 01, 2026 09:04 AM
Thanks for sharing. This too is news to me, something of the "we know we didn't know of" class. But then, this implies there's so much more that we don't know we didn't know! I recently came across some information about how, during the food production crisis in India some decades ago, the central govt gave away several rare manuscripts and scriptures to American Universities as payment in kind for food and grain (which turned out, some aver, to be unfit for human consumption - but that's another story). We don't know how much we had, we don't know how much we have, and we don't know how much we have lost.
Chakravarti
April 01, 2026 09:04 AM
Dear Raman, many thanks for sharing this encouraging insight from tradition. This fact is not generally known, and I certainly I did not know of this. I had earlier considered the Sri Vidyarnava Tantra only as a tantra nibandha/compendium of the Prapanchasara, Sarada Tilaka etc variety. That this text carries the compassionate blessings of the Devi herself is astounding. Kindly do tell us more about how it came to be so, if there's more to be known. Thanks again.
Bam
April 01, 2026 08:04 AM
Thank you very very much for answering the question!
Krishna
April 01, 2026 08:04 AM
One of the largest compendiums of tantra - Siṁha siddhānta sindhu lies in the Rajasthan Oriental Library partially translated and awaiting scholars to decode the rest. There are many secret sādhanas encoded in this śāstra and hopefully it may become available for all interested sādhakas someday. The last updates were back in the 70s or maybe 80s. There is only one copy of this treatise available and the author took great pains back in the medieval times to preserve the tantras for the future generations. Hopefully his dream comes true someday.
Krishna
April 01, 2026 04:04 AM
Devī Rahasyam is considered to be part of the most sacred Rudrayāmala tantram, the tantra of tantras. In my opinion, this is enough. But to answer your question directly, out of the less than 5% tantras that are currently translated and publicly available, there is no other reference other than Devī Rahasyam, which also states the importance of seeking a living guru who fits all the qualities and the necessity of seeking one.
Raman
April 01, 2026 04:04 AM
If I may share, tradition suggests that one can also begin sādhana by treating the Śrī Vidyārṇava Tantram as the Guru. The story goes that the Devī herself appeared to the author, Vidyāraṇya Yati, and was so moved by his compassion for future seekers that she gave the text a unique blessing. Recognizing how hard it would be to find a true guru-paramparā in the Kali Yuga, she ordained that this śāstra would carry the living authority of a teacher. By infusing it with her presence as vāk-śakti, she ensured that any sincere seeker would be protected, making the Śrī Vidyārṇava a true siddha-grantha that bridges the gap when a physical master isn't available.
Chakravarti
April 01, 2026 04:04 AM
Yes, there is no real distinction between guru and guru vani, like the non difference between saktiman and sakti. Krishna too has now responded on the point of scriptural references other than the Devi Rahasyam, so now there's full clarity on this matter for all seekers. As an aside, I found your mention of the 22 syllabled Kali mantra as being free of diksha nteresting. I believe you were referring to the Brihad Nila Tantra. I haven't gone through that text in full detail, I remember reading it years ago. I believe that there's an implicit kaula or vama achara pre-requirement for this mantra. That is, one has to accept and adhere to the specific achara before one approaches Kali with this mantra. So, this is a different case, in my view. Let me know if your understanding is different. Now, you mention you are on the Kashmir Saivism path, and situate yourself in the Swami Lakshman joo lineage. Kindly tell us more, at your convenience, about how the Swami Lakshman joo line deals with the issue of guru and guru diksha, in the light of Swami Lakshman joo's directive that there's to be no successors to him, and that Siva's grace, being omnipresent and ever active, shall be the preferred way of initiation for all seekers in the future. Are there any actual live gurusnow in your lineage? Who provides the formal initiation for mantras, if any? How are sadhakas supposed or required to do mantra sadhana? Are there any sadhakas who do mantra purascharana in your line? How do they go about it, in the light of Swami Lakshman joo's directives? Kindly do explain, at your convenience pls. I believe such comparing of notes is most beneficial to all sadhakas. Thanks.
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