dear Prince, i want to ask you one thing, as it is very much on this topic. i admire your contribution here, i am especially grateful for the question you posted to Tīvra about Sri Paraşodaśi Rajyasiddhilaksmi where you mentioned another of Her mantra in Guhyakali krama, as it made a great practical value for me. i dare to say that Mother Kali sahita all my Guru Mandala give me chances to take higher mantras now, and i know what it may cost to me: for instance, in the recent comment Krishnaji said he is still not ready to chant Mahasodasi, and i feel real admire for such realistic view on one's own abilities on the Path; i would probably not be such a fool to take such sadhanas myself, if i knew what would follow in my life because of them; thanks Kali i was such a fool (ha-ha). so my question is: you gave us Mahanirvana Şodaśi, Mahamadhumati vidya. why did you do this? i bet there are almost no adhikaris for this MahaMahavidya all over the world. also in the recent comment Tīvraji gave ParaChinna vidya. why? - for i bet there are so few adhikaris for it, maybe no one at all. it is a great mystery for me; well, i really am a fanatic of Tīvra, and his revelations are of an undoubtful right for me. but - how do you publish these things? is it of a straight Mahadevi's mandate to you? you persanally may have great problems giving such things for everyone just to "know it theoretically". i ask this for the sake of own know knowledge first, and to remind others that all we have here are great mysteries of the Goddess and there is a great responsibility even to READ Manblunder, needless to say about practicing or posting here. thank you, i even don't insist on your answer as all this matter is a mystery. may the Goddess give us all we humbly ask for!

Namaste Jayanth ji and Krishna ji. I have another question, in one of Shri Raviji's article, he mentions anyone initiated into MahaShodashi is liberated in this birth only. I have been a reader of this esteemed website for a long time now. Even though I have not conversed with Shri Raviji, I hold him in very high regards and respect, so this question again is just for my understanding. In your sampradaya by reading the comments, I read it is frequently mentioned they are initiated into MahaShodashi mantra relatively sooner than other sampradaya, sometimes even directly, without following the Krama. Does this mean that all of them will get self realization? Also, like the thing I understood from reading this post itself you mentioned that not much rituals are necessary, and in about few years with consistent practise, one can get initiated into MahaShodashi. So is it a blessing that you have in the parampara which liberates a sadhaka sooner? Also, the post which Jayanth ji wrote, stating the last and most important teaching by Shri Raviji, that no mantra, japa, ritual , and anything can give liberation, its only the mind which gets it. I understand, it could be that mantra is a path to liberation. But then what's about getting initiated into MahaShodashi? I also wanted to ask if all the gurus that are given guru diksha by Shri Raviji, like Jayanth ji, Krishna ji, are you also self-realized ? Sorry I am a beginner with naive quesitons. I dont want to argue with Shri Raviji's words. His writing alone has transformed me into a better individual is what I think. I just have a genuine doubt.

Thank you Jayanth ji for this long discussion. Really grateful for all the answers.

dear Kuru Sandhyasa, you have repetitively stated that you are discontent regarding how manblunder is run. Then, my question is, why do you choose to return to make changes that are beyond you? We have stated countless # of times that we should act as matured adults, but however, you still issue uncalled for words ('jokes', 'cowardly', 'etc') at people who have not harmed you or the community in any way. I kindly recommend, that you create your own blogspot and to run the way you see fit. Otherwise, it is not fair to the current administrators and commentators who take their own personal time to contribute valuable information. Anyways, I have seen that you have stated that 'You will take no part in this". I hope you are consistent in your word and never return here. Please, its a boon we ask of you.

There is no disconnect once a person is realized he is free to operate the way they want as they are aware of the truth. There are many realized people who did puja etc even after realization it really does not affect their state in any manner. But again there is no need to do anything as well. Shastras are very clear that rules of puja etc does not apply to a realised being.

Namaste Jayanth ji, I am very grateful for your reply, and I now have a much clearer understanding of your perspective. My only remaining question pertains to something Shri Raviji wrote about his Sri Guruji. He mentioned that his Guruji regularly performed daily puja and rituals, and that these were so profound that he had "vibrating idols." These words deeply inspired and motivated me to aspire to a state where my Ishta Devata is literally present in the idol I worship. Subsequently, I have observed Shri Raviji advocating less for rituals. I would be interested to know how these two viewpoints reconcile. I also notice that many highly learned Advaita Vedantins of the Shankaracharya parampara, which I believe is also part of your guru mandala if I recall the picture correctly, perform daily pujas. This leads to my next question. I am not advocating for any particular view, but rather seeking to understand how these practices align.

I hold the sastra in esteem, and I honour those who hold the sastras in esteem and intelligently apply the sastras per desa, kala, patra and paristithi. As such, I welcome this development, and hope this is put into motion. To honour the sastra-affirming position you both have adhered to, Herodion and Kuru Sandhyasa, I offer you both my regards and respect. As a further mark of respect for your position, I offer myself as a candidate for initiation, if you'll have me. That is, if, after you test my suitability, and satisfy yourselves as to whether or not I'm worthy. If this meets with your approval, kindly let me know the next steps. As regards contact details, kashyapg2077@gmail.com is my email ID. Let me have yours. Thanks.

Yes, instead of permitting initiation to young adults, let's give them mantras with no initiation instead and promote guruless practice. This is morally better. And let's call someone of whom you've gathered none of this information, as an avadhuta and a great guru and sage. The jokes write themselves here. Krishna, among the admins there is not agreement on what is happening here. Only you and jayanth. I also am aware you wrote your initial proposal with no intention to follow through with it. That was very cowardly and low. Herodion whose name I will not reveal wanted to reach out to you anyways in good faith. If this is how low we are going, keeping up appearances while behind others backs committing cowardly and petty politics, then I will take no part in this.

Dear Herodion, Thank you for your response. It would be ideal if you could reach out to me with more details about yourself, your guru parampara and all the spiritual practices you have followed and continue to do so, so these can be highlighted. There is also a vetting process by the admins and we certainly need to know how to get hold of you directly on phone and also meet with you and Kuru Sandhyasa in person if need be. The references of all your gurus and where they reside, what they teach etc. is also required. I am certain many will benefit from your contributions and for us to directly recommend you and Kuru Sandhyasa, we need to know much more about yourselves and that is the reason why I requested that both of you and anyone else interested in imparting initiations, should communicate directly to me or to any of our admins/gurus listed on our website. It is very important for us that no serious aspirant should be discriminated for any reason. Shri Raviji was absolutely against any such discrimination and was clear that everyone deserves a path towards self-realization and no person who expresses interest, should be denied the same. I myself do not initiate adolescents, teens and young adults remotely. We do have a policy that an initiation must happen one on one and that can be in person or remote, but the guru and disciple must see each other and the guru explicitly makes the commitment to guide the aspirant to the best of their ability and commits to absorbing their karma and granting some of their own good karma, which anyway happens implicitly through the initiation process. It is also mandatory that Shri Raviji should be your guru and that you acknowledge that you are a part of this lineage with no disrespect to any of your other gurus and their teachings. As soon as our admins have all your information, we can certainly process the same, talk to you directly via a video call and/or in person, make our enquiries and proceed from there. To be specific, we need your given names and diksha names, guru lineage information, your personal contact details, place of residence, what you do for a daily living, the sadhanas that you are willing to impart (you have already provided the information, we need from Kuru Sandhyasa directly) in person or remote at no cost, verifiable and written details of your interactions with Shri Raviji and sadhanas that were imparted to you. I am also assuming that you have been given Purnadiksha and Guru diksha by Shri Raviji, plus permission to impart the same to global sadhakas without any prejudice. Also, each one of you must reach out to us individually and not indirectly. We look forward to hearing from you with all the details directly. Our goal is to encourage, guide and help as many aspirants as possible and help them progress spiritually without being judgmental, partial or applying any discrimination or prejudice on the basis of race, color, sex, societal status, background etc. I certainly applaud and respect your commitment to help interested sadhakas.

There is no discounting the effects of puja as it builds disciple, bhakti and focus. There is some material benefits too. But what is spiritual progression? It is a stage where you try to understand what is God and what is your relationship with god. To do this you have to understand the nature of Self which is an inward journey. When God is within you when doing puja you are treating it outside you are doing seva. This is a stage where you feel both are separate and continuously doing this without the knowledge of self will only make you think your Atman and God is different, thereby there is a stop at progression. But when you do puja by submitting your mind to consciousness (atman), this is true puja and surrender. That is the reason external rituals are to be stopped as we progress. For you at this stage doing puja and japa is the right thing as after regular practice when you get the questions about life and God, at that time you will let go of puja automatically. Coming to the point of stopping sadhana after realization, once you are always linked / or Brahman pervades your mind always, what is the use of sadhana? Till this state is reached we need to practice lifelong and/or many more lifetimes to come. Instead of an intellectual dissection of many philosophies, mantras and teachings sticking with one philosophy, one mantra and one diety may solve all the problems. Single diety is your main focus for life but as and when time arises for situation like protect etc you can take help of other dieties for a short while and stop the same. But sticking to one diety is the best. Usually Shiva, Shakti and Ganapati are the best sadhanas as they are complete by themselves.