Additionally, when I said "a person", I referred to that: To any person. If you misunderstood that by "Ravi", that is due to your great sense of self-importance.My only interest is to teach people about non-dualistic Trika, not to criticize your articles. But even if I was interested in doing that, you approved my posts with my "supposed" criticism. What is the point of doing that and next to protest about it? All this makes no sense.One time, many years ago, you told me that I should never say "sorry". Therefore, I won't say sorry now, by following your advise. Hanumaan now knows his own power.

If you think like that about another person who "was your Guru" (to make the things worse), why are you teaching "non-dualism"? If you think that "someone else" is attacking your article or you or your teachings, why are you teaching all this? Non-dualism is when the Self is alone completely in unity with Himself.Besides, even in the case that Gabriel "was attacking" Ravi, as you pointed out, what is your problem? You told all people here that Self-realization is attained by purging one's own ego. So, do it yourself and teach by example. What is the point for you to post these whining messages like an offended lady. This is not the right behavior of someone who is teaching such great wisdom.The tree is known by its fruits.

In one of the above comments Gabriel Pradiipaka, said “the person” instead of saying the author. Again he used an abbreviation a.k.a (abbreviation for ‘also known as’). If he does not want to acknowledge me as the author of that article, there is no need for him to read this article and make comments. He has pointed out the following. “"For truly realizing the Self, we need nothing, except to purify our mind and purge our ego. We need to explore within, instead of searching the Self outside. What is there outside is within us and vice-versa. Pure dedication and perseverance are the only factors that are needed to realize the Self." or also "But to achieve that level of knowledge at the beginning of any persons spiritual journey is nearly impossible. Hence we need first control our ego, actions etc, as this discipline is necessary for taming the mind to achieve the consciousness that you have explained." or also "Unnecessary ego is a problem because it creates karma. Then we have to experience that karma to nullify it. In turns it becomes a cycle or rebirths." I am only quoting Ramana Maharishi to counter his argument.“All thoughts are from the unreal i.e. the ego. Remain without thinking. So long as there is thought, there will be fear. So long as there is thought, even of ‘aham Brahmasmi, there will be forgetfulness.“Aham Brahmasmi is only an aid to concentration. It keeps off other thoughts. That one thought alone persists. See whose thought it is. It will be found to be from 'I'.“Where does the ‘I’-thought originate? Probe into it. The 'I'-thought will vanish. The supreme Self will shine by itself, effortlessly. When the one real, ‘I’ alone remains it will not be saying 'I am Brahman.' Does a man say 'I am a man'? Unless he is challenged why should he declare himself a man? Does anyone mistake him for a brute that he should say, 'No, I am not a brute, I am a man'. Similarly, as Brahman or ‘I’ alone exists, there is no one there to challenge it and therefore no need to be saying 'I am Brahman.'”Has this Sage not quoted about mind and ego? Anyone will accept that Ramana Maharishi is a realized sage. Then who is right? When someone is commenting in public forum, some decency is required. When the author of the article is not acknowledged, what is the need for a comment on the article? I apologise to the readers if I have written anything wrong here. I am also not writing this out of ego. But at the same time, I cannot continue to be silent when someone is continuously maligning me. I leave it to the readers to decide.

The eternal problem is that you separate the Self from "you". So, you cannot understand the Self, because He is not you but "someone else". This is not the right way to reason about the Self, i.e. you.The Truth is non-dual (you are the Self), while the Play is dualistic (you are not the Self). You can attain Self-realization from the Truth that you are the Self, but you cannot attain Self-realization from the Play, i.e. by feeling that you are not the Self. This is the whole problem.Anyway, as you are the Self whether or not you realize Him, the question about bondage and liberation is just a Sport and not the Final Truth. Why? Because you are alone here. Nobody else is binding you. It is just you binding you... but this is mere Sport, Pastime. Every time you say things "to delay" Self-realization, you are binding you despite your being Free. And when you say things "to bring" Self-realization, you are liberating you despite your being Free. All this is mere Sport too, because you are all the time Free. You are so Free that you decided to live like a limited person with an ego which is to be controlled or purged or whatever. This is just humbugs! It is just something that shows your Freedom and not your bondage!

Also my mind is rejecting the idea of you saying that "For truly realizing the Self, we need nothing, except to purify our mind and purge our ego. We need to explore within, instead of searching the Self outside. What is there outside is within us and vice-versa. Pure dedication and perseverance are the only factors that are needed to realize the Self" is not in want of Self realization, as it is only this inquiry which is making us to move towards realizing our Self, otherwise we are oblivious to the awareness that is needed.

Thank you for explaining. So you mean to say that. If the Self itself is delaying the Self Realization then when will the Self allow us to realize it. Meaning if we are in a state of ever self realized, when do we consciously get that awareness?Then if we think on the flip side - As per your clarification the Self decides everything, but the Self is not supposed to do anything and it is just a spectator. It just watches and allows us to do whatever we want. It is only us who have to understand the nature of our self, only then self realization is possible? Meaning we have to use our mind, intellect and knowledge accompanied by practice (sadhana) to realize self.More over if we are in ever realized state what is stopping us to realize our inherent nature. Is it our nature (thought processes like ego, knowledge etc) is stopping us or is it that we are not ready for it or is it that we are ignorant that we are already realized? (If we are already realized then, it brings back to the question why there is a lack of that awareness)My question may be little elementary but kindly provide some new perspective as this will be helpful.What is the question that I’m not asking, which is delaying this.

When I say that the Self says "no" or "yes" about Self-realization, I mean that the person himself says so in different ways: e.g. "For truly realizing the Self, we need nothing, except to purify our mind and purge our ego. We need to explore within, instead of searching the Self outside. What is there outside is within us and vice-versa. Pure dedication and perseverance are the only factors that are needed to realize the Self." or also "But to achieve that level of knowledge at the beginning of any persons spiritual journey is nearly impossible. Hence we need first control our ego, actions etc, as this discipline is necessary for taming the mind to achieve the consciousness that you have explained." or also "Uncessary ego is a problem because it creates karma. Then we have to experience that karma to nullify it. In turns it becomes a cycle or rebirths."In all those phrases, the Self (a.k.a. the person) is tacitly saying: "Now I don't want Self-realization". As the person is Shiva, all of his words are "Mantra-s" effectively delaying Self-realization, as it were. Why should you wait for Self-realization if you are already the Self? This is inconsistent and absurd in the end. Every time you say: "I cannot now because... something", the Self is saying that, and yes, He won't have Self-realization.But in the end the Self does not need to get Self-realization because absence of Self-realization is Self-realization. Why? It is very simple: Because you cannot realize you lack Self-realization without realizing Yourself (your Real I). It is like saying: "I have no tongue!" by the tongue. It is just a Play and not the Final Truth.All in all, it is very important what you say about the Self because you are Him. If you say "No", it will be "No", if you say "Yes", it will be "Yes". People that cannot understand this are the Self thinking that Himself is somewhere else outside or "deep inside". This is another Play.But in the end, why should you want Self-realization if you are already the Self? If you are the only Inhabitant in this universe, how the heck you came to this state where you need Self-realization? As you can see, all this is another Play of this frisky Self (You!). Regarding spiritual practices... they are like lamps trying to reveal the self-effulgent Sun. Evidently, they cannot do that, but the Self (people!) will insist on doing that, because this is another Play too.Self-realization is about "intelligence", and not about "practices". When the Self becomes intelligent, Self-realization happens automatically. And while the Self is not intelligent enough, absence of Self-realization will remain here. Both things are the same in the end, because there is neither bondage nor liberation from bondage. All this is another play as well. May this Self be praised always!

Spirituality or Self Realization is not a ' Technical process' where we say that only a particular percentage of devotion or effort or egolessness will lead a person to success.Realizing our own real nature is Self-realization. The seeker seeking himself!! Shiva playing hide & seek with Shiva!!During this phase of 'seeking' the seeker leaves no stone unturned. He goes to guru, comes to know about Mahavakyas, thinks & ponders on them, reads Upanishads etc. etc. All this process is sadhana for realization & this is the phase where Ego is to be kept aside. Learning something is possible only if you admit that yes, you want to learn& you surrender to the teachings of your teacher (try to fight your ego deliberately)No doubt, nothing can happen without His own Sweet Will. When the efforts ripen and of course He Wills, Self hidden inside, reveals Himself in His full glory, grace and bliss. Shiva finds Himself!!!When Self shines, everything else...the remaining ego, the games playing mind, the seeker himself, the process of seeking..... all gets swayed away in the flow of Deep Bliss & Ananda.Nothing else remains... Just Self prevails... Our own true nature... The Essence Of Our Existence...Shiva Himself.

Do you have any problems in understanding plain English? I clearly told you that I'm expressing only the opinions of self realized sages and they form the basis of my perspective. Again, It is directed towards a particular person and only he has the right to assent or dissent based on his perspective. Who are you here? it's up to the author of this website to moderate me. I don't require your assent or dissent to do what I feel like doing. I don't give a damn about your views. If you feel like trolling, there are millions of website out there. Why are you wasting your time here?

Completely agreed that ego is necessary for self realization, but to what extend this is required, is the question? If the ego let free and is allowed to do whatever it wants then where is focus placed on? Meaning, is the ego focusing on the body or the self?Can please explain how absence of Self realization is self realization, it will be helpful understand the this with a different perspective and your explanation. As you rightly say that when we want self realization all these aspects become immaterial as a person will not differentiate between the Brahman and himself. But to achieve that level of knowledge at the beginning of any persons spiritual journey is nearly impossible. Hence we need first control our ego, actions etc, as this discipline is necessary for taming the mind to achieve the consciousness that you have explained.