@Krishna: I have been following the discussions here seriously, and this has reference to your latest comment. I am unable to trace the source/reference of your statement therein "Scriptures such as Devi Rahasyam state that the scripture itself can act like a guru to the sincere sādhaka." Where exactly in the Devi Rahasyam is this statement, or its equivalent, given? I would much appreciate your clarification and guidance on this point.

I don't think it's the mantra's experience. I think you are in confusion of some coincidences. Mantra doesn't work like that. If a mantra is creating fear in you,that means you are doing it wrong. Bhava is the most important thing before doing any kind of worship or mantra. You need to have depth and transformation and inner power,you have to be grounded enough too,after that you go for mantra or stotras. Meditation alone cannot give you required results. First transform your inner self after that go for mantra siddhi.

Mantras does not work like every one is asking in comments. One need to have bhava for shakti, without bhava, nothing is possible,after that one has to transform himself inner way,then comes grounding oneself so that it doesn't create confusions and fear. Mantra doesn't harm,it's our own mind that harms more than the mantra. So grounding is too important. I know because I have lived in sadhana half of my life i experienced it.

i am somewhat scared, it seems to be a problem, all this conflict. i want to say with open heart, that if someone does not yet have Guru nor own clear Tantric path, you may drop all that you think is "your life and grain of sadhana" and a) ask here for initiation; b) try one (one!) of complete paths traced by Tīvra, - not atiugra, but from the very beginning, always appealing to himself in a mystic way if your heart feels so; --- but all the distinct practices that we find here may only become parts of our True Path Given by Guru! - i practiced Durga Navaksari for 15 years before finding Tivra's atiugra sadhanas to be mine... i passed ordeals that i don't want anyone to repeat. so be careful. may the Goddess be glad for all of us

Amargi, this is very true and very much the point as well. You have the mind and greater sense to understand what is the effect of your sadhana. And most of beginner sadhakas have no idea what is the effect of their sadhana at first, or will imagine one thing while another is happening. This is why a guru is there to guide them while they are blind. Or if a practice is given in certain instances where it is permitted, there are strict guidelines to follow. If by protected or deep will they are pulled away, they move to another sadhana then and then another. This spirals into a mess. This is what very often happens when we see individuals with no guidance attempting sadhana. The mind becomes chaos as a result of this, and it is worse if they don't accept that this chaos is a result of not having proper guidance. Amargi, it is very much a blessing if this type of sadhana bears fruit for you, because ordinarily sadhanas which destroy the material life involve a lot of hard work and forceful expression of kriyas before finally bearing the greatest fruit imagineable. It is very difficult for even experienced sadhakas to make it to the latter end because of dependancies on material life etc. It is a very good example, wonderful things can come and there is so much potential, if the proper guidance or guidelines is present. To also add clarity, i will not say who told me, but it was told to me that the accounts of tripuragna jothi and agni were alternate accounts of Tivra. If you are sad that they left, rest assured he is still here.

please check it out, it is a great contribution. in "show all comments" write the name of the commentor and check out what he speaks. please, dear all, don't ever think that Tivra really needs a guardian for himself and for his Knowledge. be guardians of Truth.

Tripuraghna have left. and Tivra once left. Agni. i noticed. i've been fortunate to be the favorite of a great Guru, and yet the practice of the higher sadhanas, which I received from Tivra, is destroying my life as valued by ordinary human standards. what if a beginner would take some of these methods, i can't think of it. what I mean is, I revere Tivraji as a true Guru, and I will stand up for his wisdom and realization; I'm happy that Krishnaji cares for us; but I also feel there is truth in what Kuru Sandhyasa contributes. less aggression, more understanding, brothers.

When true sādhana begins, we experience a rollercoaster of emotions as well as turmoil in our life. This happens due to intense karmic burning. This is where the role of a guru brings some comfort and assurance that we are on the right path and the same was followed by our predecessors. A true guru like Jayanth, Shri Ravi ji etc will absorb some bad karma of the sādhaka and in turn ease up their sādhana. In turn, the guru experiences pain in some form. They do this out of pure compassion for their disciples and sincere sādhakas. Advanced scholars and gurus like Tripuraghna, Jothi etc gave us a lot of information to help progress in our sādhana and they may still be looking out for us and others as well. They are also doing whatever good they can, in the best interests of the world in their own ways. We have people like Tivra guiding us now and let us make the best of it. We also have Jayanth, Prince and others contributing and helping us get further. Let us appreciate the gifts we have obtained and continue to make strides. The karmic barriers will break. It is only a matter of time for the sincere sādhaka to achieve their targets. Scriptures such as Devi Rahasyam state that the scripture itself can act like a guru to the sincere sādhaka. As much as possible, we must strive to obtain knowledgeable and compassionate gurus who can guide us. Secondly, all other sources of knowledge should also be carefully examined and absorbed if compatible with our practices. At all times, a sincere sādhaka should never deem any harm to any soul and must strive to be self-sufficient, compassionate and grow spiritually to the maximum extent possible. If it is not possible to find a suitable guru, by all means study the scriptures and take guidance of fellow sādhakas or knowledgeable persons to help us in our path. Let not the absence of a true guru be a deterrent. the path is much slower without a guru, but we will still get there. I started with books and finally came across my gurus who showed me the path that I follow today. The guidance will come in some format to the true seeker. The Divine Mother is everywhere and in everyone. She is the true Guru ultimately. All other human gurus and books etc. can only guide us to Her and She takes over.

Amazing. Best of luck to you.

NAMASTE TĪVRA JI, can you please talk about 7 veils in detail mentioned by Vallalār and most effective deity with respective veils. I also came across a similar idea in Islamic literature where 7 veils are mentioned in Quran " First is the veil of intellect, second the veil of knowledge, third the veil of the heart, fourth the veil of the soul, fifth sense perception, sixth desire, and seventh will. Do they differ fundamentally in their approach? Thank you very much.