I have nothing productive to say.

Well, Prince, Śrīvidyā is also world-divinizing, and about 'seeing the divine' immanent in all beings, from worms, to the best of men. To say that the goal is only to 'transcend' is wrong, as such. Even 'transcendence' as described is to reach the other shore, not jump out the boat halfway through. My goal with citing the works of the Ācāryas was to show that these new systems are far-removed from the traditions, and the only semblance they share are in superficial details, like names and mantras. We also see how it contradicts itself, and how can what contradicts itself be true?

I should also clarify that I wasn't 'born' into this system. My father was communist, and part of student associations in his youth and my mother had always been a-religious till came times once a year, where we would fly to India, and go to the temples. Even then, when I was younger, I would roll my eyes, yawn loudly, and tap my feet while waiting in queues, and rush hastily past the Sreekovils so I could get home faster. It was only by chance that I came across Western panpsychism, and subsequently Advaita, and then by my sheer luck, this website. I am deeply indebted to all the writers here like Śrī Ravijī, Śri Krishnajī, Śrī Jayanthjī, Śrirāmjī, and others and only went out of my way to comment because I felt that the recent narratives being peddled here were dissonant and erred from what was initially taught. Again, it is our duty as human beings to help others, be it physically, monetarily, or spiritually, but it is wrong for someone else to leverage that kindness and try to goad us into a new system that has till yet shown no footing, when instead, we could be doing immediately productive things like studying to become doctors, teachers, and nurses, organizing food-donation camps, or just donating to charity in general. I should also say live and let live, since I think the people who frequent the site can exercise their better judgement, and decide what to do for themselves.

I am not sure you get the point I'm trying to make. It is not so much that it is another system, since there are many other systems. It is a system that collapses under it's own weight, since it goes against the teaches of the traditions it borrows from, in both Kabbalah and Śrī Vidyā. Obviously, Śrīvidyā is a very ancient tradition. As such, I think it is necessary to cite the great masters, who laid out definitions, and worked step by step to argue their beliefs, identify and resolve objections, and integrate this into practice. Again, it is not so much that they were XYZ years older, but because they were the stalwarts who laid out the grounds for the philosophy we stand on, and they talk about very relevant modern issues as well. Most importantly, the way they lay these arguments out is internally coherent. Nonsense and heresy is definitely divine, the same way a pot is, but the fact of its existence does not abate suffering. A teleology that espouses compassion and tells you to murder, or Karma that is automatic but can be overridden by murder magic, is self contradictory. On suffering, it's interesting because it is not something I've yet brought up, and I absolutely agree with you that we must act to protect the welfare of not just ourselves, but all beings. Where I differ is, I would rather give a poor man food and water, or teach a young child than practice rituals from a contrived and incoherent system. I hope you get what I mean. P.S. the reason I accept some of the scripture, especially the ones I cited was because they are reasonable. If we have 2 statements that are mutually opposing, and one that is verifiably true, then you must reject the other. If you didn't reject the other, then you cannot make any positive claims about anything, since 'anything could be true'. That is what I think about truth.

Please understand that matangi as mahamantrini of shodasi (lalita). She consumes what is offered to lalita as mahaprasada from her. As she is the only person who has right, capacity and authority to take from her and it is a sin to taste and offer our leftovers! Parasurama kalapasutra says matangi workship is in afternoon as she rules the sun and buddha. She is in her menstruation and hence red clothes which again signifies outward knowledge (vaikari sound). Pollution refers to para (air without consonant) made to sound unique using teeth, tongue and throat! People understand everything in literal way and do all wrong upasanas! Find a proper guru who can teach u to read in between lines!

This community and website are for helping anyone interested in exploring spirituality. Tantra and other rituals are steppingstones to the altar of self-realization and liberation. Shri Raviji's endeavor was to help anyone seeking the goal of self-realization to find a pathway that would help them get there. His writings reflect the various doorways that a sincere seeker could access and move forward in their journey. I personally relished my online and in person discussions and disagreements with Shri Ravi ji over the years. I personally cherish every comment of revered Tivra and reflect very deeply on what he has stated. I do not expect everyone to follow or do the same. Our own self-introspection will lead us to the path best suited for us. I will conclude with a quote - "Let noble thoughts come to us from all directions. Rig Veda 1.89.1"

Remember, no matter how many realized souls there are, how many enlightened creatures, Gods, scriptures and all holy things there are in this world, (pointing us in various directions to Good and Eternal fates), there is still UNALEVIATED suffering ongoing in the world RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE/AS YOU READ. Think of how privileged you are to even have time to get up safely, have all your needs met, and still have time to log-in to manblunder to read the posts here. Now we can write theories about Karma, creating infinite moral theories and doctrines on how they "deserve" it while being in our lofty towers of "grace" and "privilege''. But to truly transcend it, and to do something material to change that is beyond all of us. I still don't understand how people could bind suffering, injustice and pain in just a simple word of "retribution". I am here to build a kinder world, and I will suffer along with other too, if they do not get the same privilege, safe haven and peace as me. I do not expect most of you to get this - it's in your nature as you worship lifeless idols, statues and diagrams as GOD, while failing to see the Divine in living beings surrounded all over you. When you see that living things are indeed a higher manifestation of the Divine than lifeless statues and diagrams, you do not need the Old ways anymore. But i think, the hold of traditions and the old ways are too strong on you. You are trapped under those impressions and gripped under Old knowledge - knowledge that you are meant to transcend. I see the Divine in people's eye-lights, smiles, and their actions. To each to its own.

Namaste Tīvra Ji. Sir what is the procedure to get money in Kabbalah like this as money is the most problem infront of humanity and mostly spiritual seekers. In these powerful countries most of them are financially free but we lack that life that gives us time to get rid of this core problem and seek solutions of this universe and service to humanity at the finest.

Dear Ashwin ji, Thank you for the most insightful comment that should be able to put to rest any questions on the effectiveness of Śrī Vidyā. Having said that, we should also acknowledge that most mantras are locked and their complete unlocking procedures remain very secretive to this day. Those locking them know the consequences of the damages these mantras could bring if they were to fall in the wrong hands. It is also common knowledge that Brahmā was cursed by Rudra and is therefore not commonly worshipped except in certain temples and in certain procedures. This is a reflection of His fallen status, though He is the Creator for this universe. I would suggest that everyone should be open to welcome procedures and insights that can help sincere seekers achieve their stated goals whether they're materialistic or spiritual or a mix of both, which is most common. It is also a great honor and privilege to have mahāsiddhars like Śrī Tīvra expound on the secrets that can help guide sādhakas in their journey. Not many seekers have well established gurus and those in search of the Truth should stop not till their goal is realized. Let knowledge come to us from all sides and may everyone benefit from it.

my point is, if you agree, keep quiet. If you disagree, keep quiet - simple as that. I can too claim that teachings from the past, starting from Sadashiva to genuine gurus as ‘Sci-Fi’. My claims do not make it any real or any false - in fact we can never know it from external validation. We may know it from internal validation, but if we did, why would we be searching, searching and searching ? Here is what I observe from people like Kuru - when there are posts which align to certain traditions/certain methods/certain faiths we cheer them, we encourage them. But when we suddenly encounter an opinion, we suddenly turn to wise, all-knowing defenders of faith, who know ‘everything’. Where is your humility ? Where is your tolerance ? Just because you quote certain verses/ and mantras which alleged ‘meanings’ (which too you probably read and memorised), you are suddenly authorised to judge the thoughts and opinions of others ? So here is my first advice, being half-baked yourself, don’t criticise others. You don't own the faith and the faith doesn’t own you. In fact, let me tell you, everything to do with spirituality is “Sci-Fi”. It's just that our human conditioning accepts “Sci-Fi” which is thousands of years old, and has been accepted and passed down by generations after generations; because somehow that is more ‘legitimate’ and ‘true’. Maybe we are OVER-romanticizing the past, Maybe we think people in the past lived in golden ages, and Maybe we think people in the past never made any mistakes (as the same MYTHS self-establish this self-fulfilling matter to further drive themselves down deep into our psyche). But how do YOU truly know? How do you then know all of THEIR works are correct ? Do you accept them so readily ,because you were already probably born into this system ? Were you already biased into believing certain belief systems due to appeal to nature/culture/race ? Your own scriptures claim that the Divine lives in everything, both in pure and impure, both in reality and fantasy. Then by this very logic thought by your scriptures , even nonsense and heresy is divine. Is it not ? Let’s all be matured human beings. Do you really think there are really no such things are parallel truths/alternative opinions ? and even if they were/weren’t who are we to regulate those ? Live and let live. I have no more to say but the few lines below: We pray to stones and metals, yet we turn away from the lives of others. We read religiously from books and scriptures yet we shut away our pure inner voice to do the right things. We cast stones on others, yet we are unaware that they come from our one home. A little tolerance, respect and love goes a long way in creating a positive space outside and also inside yourself.