Dear Tīvra ji, I'm requesting you to please throw some light on Cintāmaṇi Bālā. What's Her nature? What is Her mantra? What's the upāsana paddati? Who is qualified for Her sādhanā. Her name itself has captured my attention.

I bow down to The Guru tattva that guided, shapes up a normal human, turning him into a sadhak. I bow down to The Universal Guru Tattva, who takes the sadhak ahead in thr Sadhna path. To the best of my understanding, every person carries their Spiritual account from past lives.. Guru too enters his life to continue the Spirtual journey. Most of us start with monetary gains, which may lead to the path of Self Realization. In the process, Divine forms are worshipped, their grace is achieved, the most beautiful connection is established. The soul gets hungry to achieve more & more grace. The Divine sends help in the form of higher knowledge in various forms eg. hearing, reading, receiving instruction in dream etc. By this time sadhak has learned to be a witness too. He has understood the aim of his life. Hence the journey continues. In recent post about stages of Bhakti, Tivraji has explained 4 stages very well. Understanding 17 stages of Sri Vidya along with Maharshi Arvind' & Swami Ramalinga's path, is another great sadhna to reach higher levels. Why shouldn't a seeker get inspired from them & follow it with proper understanding? Such knowledge comes from the Universal Guru Tattva. There is nothing wrong in following it because at each level one is connecting, speaking to the Divine form of those levels. Attainment is also bringing Divine in our life. If you live with the Divine, they take over your life. Sadhna is all about developing connection with the Divine. Live with their Energies & never stop your progress. At next level Divine may reveal their higher forms, deeper connection. It's a beautiful path. Physical Guru is definitely needed. Keeping our senses open may lead to The Universe teaching us something exceptional. For me All these are my Gurus. Whatever is expressed here is from my personal experiences.

Not sure why you thought my sadhana could be merely an intellectual exercise similar to meditation. Well, it’s not and therefore the conclusions you derived are by default wrong. The reason I mentioned calmness is due to the fact of how angry Kuru’s comments are. Definitely not constructive criticism. Anyone can be criticized on this site within the boundaries of mutual respect. Insults, anger, and fear mongering make one wonder whether there is ill intention or not. You seem to know him in person, which is great. Why don’t you convince him to share with us what he knows within the permits of his lineage? So, we can all learn from him. Do you think you could do that for us? Last but not least, it’s very presumptuous to think that people who benefit from the site don’t have the assistance of a Guru. I am sure some don’t, and some do. For good reasons not everyone feels comfortable sharing that kind of info on the Net.

If the fruits of your sadhana are merely intellectual - correct me if otherwise - then it is ineffective. Spiritual efforts should lead to attainment. If you say that your sadhana has led you away from hatred, it is comparable in results to meditating for years upon, say, mundane philosophy, and coming to the conclusion that violence is a strain upon all those involved. I would advise you to refrain from speaking ill of Kuru - or any of the good-intentioned participants in this discussion - for you do not know the karmas he cradles for others, the many people he has burnt himself for, or the degree of his grace. His efforts are not to create confusion, but in fact to dissolve it. Tantric knowledge is organized around the key principle of guru-shishya. Gurus reveal knowledge to their disciples in accordance with the will of higher deities and only knowledge which has been proven effective within the parampara. If the practices of the lineage mix and become diluted without being filtered by a direct vessel of guru tattva, this will be the sin of all involved and it can cause much devastation. This is what Kuru speaks about: preserving the rahasya and the very effective methods of Raviji's noble lineage, and trying to prevent the knowledge revealed through Raviji from being stained by others. I must say that there are more things that unite us than divide us, and I sincerely doubt it is anyone's goal to selfishly hoard knowledge. To this effect, we must all exercise our best discernment and hold each other well on the path for the benefit of all.

@Krishna: I have been following the discussions here seriously, and this has reference to your latest comment. I am unable to trace the source/reference of your statement therein "Scriptures such as Devi Rahasyam state that the scripture itself can act like a guru to the sincere sādhaka." Where exactly in the Devi Rahasyam is this statement, or its equivalent, given? I would much appreciate your clarification and guidance on this point.

I don't think it's the mantra's experience. I think you are in confusion of some coincidences. Mantra doesn't work like that. If a mantra is creating fear in you,that means you are doing it wrong. Bhava is the most important thing before doing any kind of worship or mantra. You need to have depth and transformation and inner power,you have to be grounded enough too,after that you go for mantra or stotras. Meditation alone cannot give you required results. First transform your inner self after that go for mantra siddhi.

Mantras does not work like every one is asking in comments. One need to have bhava for shakti, without bhava, nothing is possible,after that one has to transform himself inner way,then comes grounding oneself so that it doesn't create confusions and fear. Mantra doesn't harm,it's our own mind that harms more than the mantra. So grounding is too important. I know because I have lived in sadhana half of my life i experienced it.

i am somewhat scared, it seems to be a problem, all this conflict. i want to say with open heart, that if someone does not yet have Guru nor own clear Tantric path, you may drop all that you think is "your life and grain of sadhana" and a) ask here for initiation; b) try one (one!) of complete paths traced by Tīvra, - not atiugra, but from the very beginning, always appealing to himself in a mystic way if your heart feels so; --- but all the distinct practices that we find here may only become parts of our True Path Given by Guru! - i practiced Durga Navaksari for 15 years before finding Tivra's atiugra sadhanas to be mine... i passed ordeals that i don't want anyone to repeat. so be careful. may the Goddess be glad for all of us

Amargi, this is very true and very much the point as well. You have the mind and greater sense to understand what is the effect of your sadhana. And most of beginner sadhakas have no idea what is the effect of their sadhana at first, or will imagine one thing while another is happening. This is why a guru is there to guide them while they are blind. Or if a practice is given in certain instances where it is permitted, there are strict guidelines to follow. If by protected or deep will they are pulled away, they move to another sadhana then and then another. This spirals into a mess. This is what very often happens when we see individuals with no guidance attempting sadhana. The mind becomes chaos as a result of this, and it is worse if they don't accept that this chaos is a result of not having proper guidance. Amargi, it is very much a blessing if this type of sadhana bears fruit for you, because ordinarily sadhanas which destroy the material life involve a lot of hard work and forceful expression of kriyas before finally bearing the greatest fruit imagineable. It is very difficult for even experienced sadhakas to make it to the latter end because of dependancies on material life etc. It is a very good example, wonderful things can come and there is so much potential, if the proper guidance or guidelines is present. To also add clarity, i will not say who told me, but it was told to me that the accounts of tripuragna jothi and agni were alternate accounts of Tivra. If you are sad that they left, rest assured he is still here.

please check it out, it is a great contribution. in "show all comments" write the name of the commentor and check out what he speaks. please, dear all, don't ever think that Tivra really needs a guardian for himself and for his Knowledge. be guardians of Truth.