I second this question, for I have had similar doubts. Particularly when the givers of practices disclaim the responsibility of acting as gurus. Krishna, the main custodian and chief worker of Manblunder, has stated several times that the practices given in Manblunder must not be attempted without a guru, and has advised people to seek out one. At the same time, the initiations work/function of Manblunder doesn't seem to be progressing, for we see people complaining that their emails for initiations are going unanswered. Krishna is on record telling people that even if initiated through Manblunder gurus, not much hand holding or guidance can be expected, and that it'd be better for people to connect to other accessible gurus. But the elephant in the room, one everybody is assiduously not addressing, is the unknown Tivra and Krishna's overwhelming regard for him. Tivra is on record stating that he will not be anyone's guru. For example, on June 5, 2024 he wrote "I am forbidden to be anyone's Guru. I am also forbidden to meet anyone." But the giving of practices has continued. Others have given other practices. Everybody is giving, but nobody is guiding. This is a state of affairs that has resulted in Manblunder becoming solely a discussion forum for advanced people rather than also a place where sadhakas may come, get initiated, learn and advance. I believe this was the original intention of the founder, Raviji. He was an extremely liberal guru, and encouraged everyone to take up practices that he gave on Manblunder, but he never disclaimed his guruhood. He never said that he'd not be anyone's guru if they asked. Raviji also encouraged people to take Siva Dakshinamurti as Guru if needed, and is on record stating that he gave practices on Manblunder after praying to Devi that people may take them up and practice without harm. So this is the background against which the current developments contrast. Amargi, your question has a simple, politically correct answer - "The practices shared here on Manblunder are meant for those who already have gurus, and are meant to be practised after consultation with said gurus. They are not meant for you or anyone and everyone. We are not responsible if you do it on your own. And don't come to us, as we cannot guide you." And this answer would be right, but only just right. The honourable thing to do, to bring this existential crisis in Manblunder to a proper resolution, is to formally elevate Tivra to guruhood on Manblunder (he already is a de facto guru to Krishna and several others here), and share his lineage details, his guru/gurus details, if he has one, and his contact details along with a program of how to contact him for guidance. At one stroke, all issues would be solved and Manblunder would come out of its self imposed crisis. Votaries of the traditional way and critics such as Kuru Sandhyasa would be silenced. All schisms would dissolve. Peace would once again prevail in Manblunder. Beginners would once again get a clear path and way forward. If however for any reason Tivra refuses to accept guru status, then I put to you all that he must take a hard look at what he's doing. You cannot do things that a guru does and at the same time take the position that you are not a guru. A flower is known by its fragrance. A man is known by his actions. Tivra and everyone who's giving practices on Manblunder openly is a de facto guru for that practice. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. My suggestion to Krishna and all the admins of Manblunder is to convince Tivra and bring him on board as a guru. That's the dharmic way.

Dear Tivra, I will not beat around the bush. You are the 900-pound gorilla, the elephant in the room, here on Manblunder. Your presence here is of great value to all, undoubtedly, but there are doubts, not without reason, about the way you're going about it. I believe there's a better way, a dharmic way to solve all issues at one stroke. In another comment I have suggested bringing you on board as a guru in a manner that will cause peace to prevail on Manblunder and also, more importantly, cause your guidance to be available to beginners and all sadhakas. I request you to go through that proposal in full. I hope you will reflect on it and do the honourable thing as an embodiment of the guru principle. Thanks.

Hello amargi, you forgot a important thing when Prince revealed this mantra, he expressed his desire to end the secrecy regarding the mantra and their usage and since Prince is also a devotee and considered Devi as his mother, so this is nothing but mother fulfilling her child's wish. Simple hehehe. Of course we can debate when did mother planned of this Leela maybe it was during prince's previous 108 birth or could be 10008th birth who knows... But nonetheless we can be  assured everything is going according to her wish and by the movements of her eyebrows.

Exactly Prince Ji

If these things aren't shared, then there is a risk of them being lost forever, similar to what has happened with many Tantras in Hinduism, also it is totally upto Maa to permit or prohibit anyone from chanting a mantra, who are we to gatekeep? there are billions of people in the world, how many of them walk this path? and how many follow the path consistently? there are contradictory points made, on one hand there is a claim that these mantras won't work without a deeksha and on the other hand, people are warning about the dangers, hahaha.

dear Prince, i want to ask you one thing, as it is very much on this topic. i admire your contribution here, i am especially grateful for the question you posted to Tīvra about Sri Paraşodaśi Rajyasiddhilaksmi where you mentioned another of Her mantra in Guhyakali krama, as it made a great practical value for me. i dare to say that Mother Kali sahita all my Guru Mandala give me chances to take higher mantras now, and i know what it may cost to me: for instance, in the recent comment Krishnaji said he is still not ready to chant Mahasodasi, and i feel real admire for such realistic view on one's own abilities on the Path; i would probably not be such a fool to take such sadhanas myself, if i knew what would follow in my life because of them; thanks Kali i was such a fool (ha-ha). so my question is: you gave us Mahanirvana Şodaśi, Mahamadhumati vidya. why did you do this? i bet there are almost no adhikaris for this MahaMahavidya all over the world. also in the recent comment Tīvraji gave ParaChinna vidya. why? - for i bet there are so few adhikaris for it, maybe no one at all. it is a great mystery for me; well, i really am a fanatic of Tīvra, and his revelations are of an undoubtful right for me. but - how do you publish these things? is it of a straight Mahadevi's mandate to you? you persanally may have great problems giving such things for everyone just to "know it theoretically". i ask this for the sake of own know knowledge first, and to remind others that all we have here are great mysteries of the Goddess and there is a great responsibility even to READ Manblunder, needless to say about practicing or posting here. thank you, i even don't insist on your answer as all this matter is a mystery. may the Goddess give us all we humbly ask for!

Namaste Jayanth ji and Krishna ji. I have another question, in one of Shri Raviji's article, he mentions anyone initiated into MahaShodashi is liberated in this birth only. I have been a reader of this esteemed website for a long time now. Even though I have not conversed with Shri Raviji, I hold him in very high regards and respect, so this question again is just for my understanding. In your sampradaya by reading the comments, I read it is frequently mentioned they are initiated into MahaShodashi mantra relatively sooner than other sampradaya, sometimes even directly, without following the Krama. Does this mean that all of them will get self realization? Also, like the thing I understood from reading this post itself you mentioned that not much rituals are necessary, and in about few years with consistent practise, one can get initiated into MahaShodashi. So is it a blessing that you have in the parampara which liberates a sadhaka sooner? Also, the post which Jayanth ji wrote, stating the last and most important teaching by Shri Raviji, that no mantra, japa, ritual , and anything can give liberation, its only the mind which gets it. I understand, it could be that mantra is a path to liberation. But then what's about getting initiated into MahaShodashi? I also wanted to ask if all the gurus that are given guru diksha by Shri Raviji, like Jayanth ji, Krishna ji, are you also self-realized ? Sorry I am a beginner with naive quesitons. I dont want to argue with Shri Raviji's words. His writing alone has transformed me into a better individual is what I think. I just have a genuine doubt.

Thank you Jayanth ji for this long discussion. Really grateful for all the answers.

dear Kuru Sandhyasa, you have repetitively stated that you are discontent regarding how manblunder is run. Then, my question is, why do you choose to return to make changes that are beyond you? We have stated countless # of times that we should act as matured adults, but however, you still issue uncalled for words ('jokes', 'cowardly', 'etc') at people who have not harmed you or the community in any way. I kindly recommend, that you create your own blogspot and to run the way you see fit. Otherwise, it is not fair to the current administrators and commentators who take their own personal time to contribute valuable information. Anyways, I have seen that you have stated that 'You will take no part in this". I hope you are consistent in your word and never return here. Please, its a boon we ask of you.

There is no disconnect once a person is realized he is free to operate the way they want as they are aware of the truth. There are many realized people who did puja etc even after realization it really does not affect their state in any manner. But again there is no need to do anything as well. Shastras are very clear that rules of puja etc does not apply to a realised being.