Is it possible to significantly embody one’s ishta without losing so much individuality that it becomes undoable in this birth, to ascend all the way up to 17b and back down to 13 levels of consciousness? Something like having the ishta really permeating the subtle energetic system, physical body, and sitting at every cakra, while maintaining the right conditions to proceed to the highest levels of unique antaratman merger with cidagni and svatantrya? I am specifically curious if it is possible for a soul with cidagni to bring a manifestation of their ishta to the highest supremamental realms, and to share the embrace of the supreme in such a way that the Ishta also receives it and perhaps some very esoteric and brilliant things happen to the paired deity as well? For example, could a person with Bhuvaneshwari sitting in their Ajna cakra and fully awakened in them, proceed somehow all the way up to 17b with her awake in them, and through this process open some door to exceptional evolution even for an indomitably great manifestation of Parāsaktī like a mahavidya? Could the ishta devata find the highest attainment for themselves in the Leela of certain souls they linked to from their earliest differentiation?

Am I understanding correctly Tivra? : nirvana sundari is the original child of Arul Sakti and Arut Perum Jothi, yes? Ie, she is just like her parents in the supernal primordial sky, before descending as myriad cidatman into creation, and acquiring the souls/antaratman that can evolve while preserving individualities through and on from merging with Nirvana Sundari / Cidagni? (when cognized from the incomprehensibly limited frame of reference that goes with perceiving in illusorily linear time)

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Dearest Tivra, thank you for looking out for the welfare of everyone. I bow reverently to your kindness and benevolence. I am experiencing quite a jolt of energy simply looking at the seal you have provided and am very thankful for it. Please feel free to share any information that you see fit to help sincere seekers in their life's journey, be it material or spiritual or a mix of both. Please know that there is a slient majority who adore you for the depth of knowledge that you share with everyone and may the blessings of the Divine Mother be upon you forever! Lastly, I would like to sincerely request from you to please share with us, the procedure of worshipping the combination of the 28 lettered mantra that is the fusion of the Kādi Pañcadaśī Mantra with Hādi Turīyāmbā. If the Viniyoga, nyāsas, dhyānas etc. are available, please share if the Divine Mother allows. As previously ordained by you, I will publish the Hādi Turīyāmbā and Mahā Tripura Bhairavī mantras very soon. Once again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart and sincerely pray for your continued guidance to all sincere seekers for a long time to come!

I agree with Ashwin's and Kuru's viewpoint . There is no doubt that all of us here have drawn inspiration and gained thought provoking insights from Mr. Tivra's comments. But the thing needed here, in this situation is more clarity from Tivra's side . He has mentioned that Sree Vidya won't work 99% in this flawed universe and Kabbalah is the suited path here on Earth . If that's the case , how did people gain self realization(the highest goal of a human life )through Sree vidya here, in this plane ? There are innumerable instances where men have realised their true -self using Sree Vidya on Earth . Also there are many mentions in many scriptures where it's praised for providing Bhoga and Moksha to practitioners . I am not against receiving details on new paths ,but comments on a sree vidya based circle , that has elevated the lives of many that it doesn't work properly is hard to digest . Anybody can choose any path of their liking , but many sree vidya practitioners who progress with the help of contents of this website will be disappointed in reading comments like these and many beginners will feel like dropping this path halfway. What i believe is that for material gains we should work hard and do not rely entirely on some yantra or chants, even if it's from Kabbalah or Srividya. One needs to work hard and practice yantra or mantras parallely. And what i believe is that even if any Sree Vidya mantra is locked , Guru's grace can override it and provide both material/ spiritual benefits given one practices sincerely and do his/her duties in the material plane .If this wasn't the case , nobody will be practicing Srividya and there won't have been any Guru paramparas on Earth, started by Shiva . I request Tivra's viewpoints on these facts and further details on Kabbalah if it's truly beneficial and easier than Srividya and has the capacity to help all of us in a speedily manner

I have nothing productive to say.

Well, Prince, Śrīvidyā is also world-divinizing, and about 'seeing the divine' immanent in all beings, from worms, to the best of men. To say that the goal is only to 'transcend' is wrong, as such. Even 'transcendence' as described is to reach the other shore, not jump out the boat halfway through. My goal with citing the works of the Ācāryas was to show that these new systems are far-removed from the traditions, and the only semblance they share are in superficial details, like names and mantras. We also see how it contradicts itself, and how can what contradicts itself be true?

I should also clarify that I wasn't 'born' into this system. My father was communist, and part of student associations in his youth and my mother had always been a-religious till came times once a year, where we would fly to India, and go to the temples. Even then, when I was younger, I would roll my eyes, yawn loudly, and tap my feet while waiting in queues, and rush hastily past the Sreekovils so I could get home faster. It was only by chance that I came across Western panpsychism, and subsequently Advaita, and then by my sheer luck, this website. I am deeply indebted to all the writers here like Śrī Ravijī, Śri Krishnajī, Śrī Jayanthjī, Śrirāmjī, and others and only went out of my way to comment because I felt that the recent narratives being peddled here were dissonant and erred from what was initially taught. Again, it is our duty as human beings to help others, be it physically, monetarily, or spiritually, but it is wrong for someone else to leverage that kindness and try to goad us into a new system that has till yet shown no footing, when instead, we could be doing immediately productive things like studying to become doctors, teachers, and nurses, organizing food-donation camps, or just donating to charity in general. I should also say live and let live, since I think the people who frequent the site can exercise their better judgement, and decide what to do for themselves.

I am not sure you get the point I'm trying to make. It is not so much that it is another system, since there are many other systems. It is a system that collapses under it's own weight, since it goes against the teaches of the traditions it borrows from, in both Kabbalah and Śrī Vidyā. Obviously, Śrīvidyā is a very ancient tradition. As such, I think it is necessary to cite the great masters, who laid out definitions, and worked step by step to argue their beliefs, identify and resolve objections, and integrate this into practice. Again, it is not so much that they were XYZ years older, but because they were the stalwarts who laid out the grounds for the philosophy we stand on, and they talk about very relevant modern issues as well. Most importantly, the way they lay these arguments out is internally coherent. Nonsense and heresy is definitely divine, the same way a pot is, but the fact of its existence does not abate suffering. A teleology that espouses compassion and tells you to murder, or Karma that is automatic but can be overridden by murder magic, is self contradictory. On suffering, it's interesting because it is not something I've yet brought up, and I absolutely agree with you that we must act to protect the welfare of not just ourselves, but all beings. Where I differ is, I would rather give a poor man food and water, or teach a young child than practice rituals from a contrived and incoherent system. I hope you get what I mean. P.S. the reason I accept some of the scripture, especially the ones I cited was because they are reasonable. If we have 2 statements that are mutually opposing, and one that is verifiably true, then you must reject the other. If you didn't reject the other, then you cannot make any positive claims about anything, since 'anything could be true'. That is what I think about truth.