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Aum Ravi
October 21, 2013 05:05 PM
Dhyana verse is required at initial stages of sadhana. It facilitate the saadhaka to visualize the dhyana devata and can concentrate on that devata as per the dhyana sloka he practice. After advancement of his saadhana, the saadhaka will become devata himself. Please recall Lalita Sahasra Nama "dhyana dhyatru dhyeya rupa". At this advanced stage no dhyana verse is required.
MANBLUNDER
October 21, 2013 01:57 PM
Ramaṇa Maharṣi said in of his talks (April 17, 1937), “Dhyāna is by you and in you. It must go on where you are. It cannot be outside you. So, you are the center of dhyāna.” Why you have chosen to compare this to "witchcraft"?
Adyaksh Kalajith
October 21, 2013 12:58 PM
Without Contemplating on Dhyana verses, a practitioner is merely indulging in witch craft. Dhyana is of utmost importance, the "foundation" of Vidya. The act of ignoring the foundation and going straight to Vidya cannot happen in the spiritual aspirant stage or even at the stage of Guru. Every time you utter the dhaya verse, you are focusing in the form, whether ingrained in your mind or not. This is my just humble opinion.
MANBLUNDER
October 19, 2013 09:12 AM
As said earlier, in laghu navāvaraṇa pūjā, detailed pātra sādana is not there. If pātra sādana is not learnt, navāvaraṇa pūjā can never be learnt. Regular navāvaraṇa pūjā, could take anywhere between 4 to 8 hours. While performing regular/detailed navāvaraṇa pūjā, we cannot be in the learning stage. In order to mitigate these difficulties, laghaya navāvaraṇa pūjā is introduced. Laghaya navāvaraṇa pūjā can be further simplified, so that we can do it in about 30 to 45 minutes and this can be done daily. Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
MANBLUNDER
October 19, 2013 09:12 AM
As said earlier, in laghu navāvaraṇa pūjā, detailed pātra sādana is not there. If pātra sādana is not learnt, navāvaraṇa pūjā can never be learnt. Regular navāvaraṇa pūjā, could take anywhere between 4 to 8 hours. While performing regular/detailed navāvaraṇa pūjā, we cannot be in the learning stage. In order to mitigate these difficulties, laghaya navāvaraṇa pūjā is introduced. Laghaya navāvaraṇa pūjā can be further simplified, so that we can do it in about 30 to 45 minutes and this can be done daily. Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
Sriram
October 19, 2013 06:25 AM
Dear Raviji,Yesterday i had the bhakyam of doing the laghaya navavarana pooja as it was sharad pournima.i have followed the short version of navavarana pooja given by you with little additions.In the place of the avahana, padya, argya aachamana upacharams, I have included shodasobacharam with srisuktham like aavahanam, aasanam, padyam, argyam, aachanmanam, snanam, vastram, abaranam, gandham and pushpam. Dupa, deepa, madhuparka, neivedhyam, thamboolam, karpoora neeranjanam were done at the end of navavarana pooja as mentioned.A simple abesheka was performed to my srichakra with milk, turmeric and sandal. I have also included yatha shakthi mula mantra jaba towards the end of the pooja.With all these additions it took me 1 and 1/2 hours. till patra sadhanam it took 20 to 25 mins. upacharams,navavaranam and other conclusion poojas took 1 hour. If some one wants to do navavaranam has to by-heart Kadgamala. it will make the pooja still more easier and can save more time. I am a beginner, i have not yet by-hearted the kadgamala.
Sriram
October 19, 2013 06:25 AM
Dear Raviji,Yesterday i had the bhakyam of doing the laghaya navavarana pooja as it was sharad pournima.i have followed the short version of navavarana pooja given by you with little additions.In the place of the avahana, padya, argya aachamana upacharams, I have included shodasobacharam with srisuktham like aavahanam, aasanam, padyam, argyam, aachanmanam, snanam, vastram, abaranam, gandham and pushpam. Dupa, deepa, madhuparka, neivedhyam, thamboolam, karpoora neeranjanam were done at the end of navavarana pooja as mentioned.A simple abesheka was performed to my srichakra with milk, turmeric and sandal. I have also included yatha shakthi mula mantra jaba towards the end of the pooja.With all these additions it took me 1 and 1/2 hours. till patra sadhanam it took 20 to 25 mins. upacharams,navavaranam and other conclusion poojas took 1 hour. If some one wants to do navavaranam has to by-heart Kadgamala. it will make the pooja still more easier and can save more time. I am a beginner, i have not yet by-hearted the kadgamala.
Govind
October 18, 2013 04:26 PM
Ah right.Being amateur in these things got confused.Thanks for clarification.
MANBLUNDER
October 18, 2013 12:34 PM
No, first is Self-realization and finally liberation. What we are now aiming is to realize the Self within.
Govind
October 18, 2013 12:30 PM
Ok Sir.So the soul should be liberated first which will lead to self-realization.Thanks a lot for explanation.
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